Route Development & Rumours

[Len Fish]

Well at least this time round the rumours surround an actual airline with actual aircraft rather than the fantasy that was IPS Airways so far more chance of the new service actually happening.

 

[752]

Shame there is no A310's knocking about or 757/767 for a direct service! if proving popular, who knows. 787-8 would be ideal.

 

[northsouth]

Yes shame there are none still around - hate to be be negative but I bet the Manchester operation will be the first

Out of interest could a 787-8 from LBA make it to ISB without a payload restriction on 32 departure or even an A332

 

[Starflyer]

Out of interest could a 787-8 from LBA make it to ISB without a payload restriction on 32 departure or even an A332

I haven’t got the numbers but I’d be really surprised if a 787-8 or A330-200 struggled with that. An A330-300 is a bit of a different beast but the 330-200 should be fine.

And just whilst we’re here, what other developments might be in prospect?

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I haven’t got the numbers but I’d be really surprised if a 787-8 or A330-200 struggled with that. An A330-300 is a bit of a different beast but the 330-200 should be fine.

And just whilst we’re here, what other developments might be in prospect?

I think its normal to get official announcements, at least for budget carriers in November isnt it? May be some 'leaks' before then though.

 

[Vzg94w]

Yes shame there are none still around - hate to be be negative but I bet the Manchester operation will be the first

Out of interest could a 787-8 from LBA make it to ISB without a payload restriction on 32 departure or even an A332

There is no way a 787-8 is coming to LBA. Runway is too short. You’ll never take any payload to make it worthwhile.

 

[Aviador]

Do we need to have the same question pop up everytime there is a mention of wide bodies at LBA? As an example New York would only require half the payload of fuel on a 787 so would never require the maximum payload. Tui has served Cancun from Bristol, not always direct but with favourable conditions the flight did operate direct. The eastern Caribbean islands and the eastern sea board of the USA and Canada are more than achievable from LBA and BRS using a 787-8.

 

[Vzg94w]

Who would want to travel with a possible fuel stop on long haul. There is a reason TUI removed long haul from BRS for Summer. Anyway, a forum but obviously we can only comment on what you agree with.

At best airport is Short Haul and should concentrate on becoming really good at that. At present, it can barely even manage this.

 

[Severn]

For Leeds Bradford to grow, it needs more passengers coming through the doors. While it would be nice to see widebody aircraft at LBA, the reality is that the seating capacity of one isn’t far off what a Wizz Air A321neo can offer.

Of course, the airport would love to attract a US, Middle Eastern, or Asian carrier, but in practical terms, securing another based aircraft or more frequent services from low-cost/holiday airlines would bring far greater benefits in terms of growth and sustainability - even if it’s not as exciting!

 

[Statto]

For Leeds Bradford to grow, it needs more passengers coming through the doors. While it would be nice to see widebody aircraft at LBA, the reality is that the seating capacity of one isn’t far off what a Wizz Air A321neo can offer.

Of course, the airport would love to attract a US, Middle Eastern, or Asian carrier, but in practical terms, securing another based aircraft or more frequent services from low-cost/holiday airlines would bring far greater benefits in terms of growth and sustainability - even if it’s not as exciting!

True, but it’s not a case of ‘either or’ is it ? The airport doesn’t actually fly the routes itself, so its job is to understand the demand that exists in its own catchment area and present that information to airlines. At any point in time, I imagine they are managing multiple relationships. Some of these might be as tentative as a quick phone call twice a year and some might be knee deep in signing a contract for a major commitment. As outsiders to the process, we’ll never know. It seems reasonable to say though that 2 or 3 people employed full time can manage a very wide range of relationships. Talking to operators of potential long-haul routes should in no way diminish the ability to manage Ryanair, Wizz, Jet2, Easyjet etc.

Who would want to travel with a possible fuel stop on long haul.

For ISB, the same people who travel today via hubs in the middle east and Turkey

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Who would want to travel with a possible fuel stop on long haul. There is a reason TUI removed long haul from BRS for Summer. Anyway, a forum but obviously we can only comment on what you agree with.

At best airport is Short Haul and should concentrate on becoming really good at that. At present, it can barely even manage this.

For the Pakistan market I would say a fuel stop isnt an isnt an issue it just needs to bd cheap.

 

[ChrisBBB]

Who would want to travel with a possible fuel stop on long haul. There is a reason TUI removed long haul from BRS for Summer. Anyway, a forum but obviously we can only comment on what you agree with.

At best airport is Short Haul and should concentrate on becoming really good at that. At present, it can barely even manage this.

I’m speculating here but I suspect there are as many long haul travellers who change as those that go direct

Via European hubs, on Turkish via Istanbul or the ME 3. Fuel stops don’t involve the long change over times, I’m not sure your average traveller cares if they have a fuel stop

 

[Aviador]

Who would want to travel with a possible fuel stop on long haul. There is a reason TUI removed long haul from BRS for Summer. Anyway, a forum but obviously we can only comment on what you agree with.

At best airport is Short Haul and should concentrate on becoming really good at that. At present, it can barely even manage this.

You initially said it simple wasn't possible which is factually incorrect.

On your second point, you have had your say on what I don't agree with so you're incorrect again.

The basis for saying it isn't possible is on maximum fuel and passengers which is somewhat different from what is required for many long haul flights.

 

[Vzg94w]

You initially said it simple wasn't possible which if factually incorrect.

On your second point, you have had your say on what I don't agree with so you're incorrect again.

The basis for saying it isn't possible is on maximum fuel and passengers which is somewhat different from what is required for many long haul flights.

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said runway too short aka probably not viable for loads you would need to make profit. Anyway, I stand to be correct and the airport will have connections all over the world in the next 5 years. Or it will just be the usual holiday places…..

 

[ChrisBBB]

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said runway too short aka probably not viable for loads you would need to make profit. Anyway, I stand to be correct and the airport will have connections all over the world in the next 5 years. Or it will just be the usual holiday places…..

Nobody is saying all over the world - I think most of us would be surprised if we got north american links (we can but hope)
But a connection, by whichever form, to Pakistan is almost inevitable at some point.

 

[Len Fish]

Well it seems that Air Blue consider it viable, refuelling stop or no refuelling stop.

 

[Aviador]

I never said it wasn’t possible. I said runway too short aka probably not viable for loads you would need to make profit. Anyway, I stand to be correct and the airport will have connections all over the world in the next 5 years. Or it will just be the usual holiday places…..

I am just trying to ensure the correct narrative is getting out there. Bare in mind we are used to the narrative that this windswept airport on top of a hill isn't worth the risk especially during the winter months, when in actual fact statistically the diversion rate is actually quite low. As for long haul the narrative is no it's not possible when in actual fact it is. The runway length does make things more complicated for sure, that has never been questioned. People often wrongly assumes that every long haul flight needs maximum fuel but they don't and with the lighter load can come options for some destinations.

 

[SierraHotel]

Further to the above, as engine performance continues to improve, runway length (TODA) potentially becomes less critical.

 

[JRP]

Am pretty sure the 787-8 will have no issues operating from LBA to say Doha Dubai etc, PIA we’re going to use the 777 let’s not forget, even LBA marked out a stand for it, although it did take up half the airfield

 

[LBA4EVER]

With the sheer amount of asians in the west yorkshire area now its a huge untap

Am pretty sure the 787-8 will have no issues operating from LBA to say Doha Dubai etc, PIA we’re going to use the 777 let’s not forget, even LBA marked out a stand for it, although it did take up half the airfield

Dont you mean the 777 was half the length of the runway
Just out of interest when it comes to the weight of the fuel against the weight of possible freight and pax, hows it compare, any figures?