Leeds Bradford: New Route Development & Rumours

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The flip side of that is if good loads/yields happen at 1 weekly then frequency could increase. I know I sound like a stuck record but Jet2 rarely get things wrong.

P s posting this is more interesting than watching England at the moment!
 
LBAYORKIE said:
We may benefit elsewhere but a weekly service isnt giving the route a good chance of success.
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I think Jet2 know their business. We have had other weekly departures that have seemingly done ok. For business routes, more flexibility is undoubtedly needed, with multiple weekly flights, but Jet2s primary business is packages and they are clearly happy that the vast majority of customers to these new destinations will be happy to book for 7 or 14 nights.

Perhaps if they are a success, and the demand is there, we will get an extra flight with 10 night options for 2028.
 
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lbaspotter said:
Newquay, Cork, Shannon, Valencia, Murcia, Madrid. La Rochelle,, Toulouse, Copenhagen, Dusseldorf. Munich, Frankfurt, Innsbruck, Milan, Venice, Olbia, Pula, Athens are just some routes I think could easily work for Jet2 or Ryanair out of LBA if done properly.
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And we have had all of them before except Athens.
 
Just worth putting out there the regular scheduled and charter routes LBA has had, and lost, over the years. Quite an eye opener!

London Heathrow
London Gatwick
London City
Southampton
Newquay
Bournemouth
Exeter
Bristol
Cardiff
Stansted
Norwich
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Inverness
Cork
Shannon
Knock
Galway
Isle of Man
La Rochelle
Lille
Toulouse
Carcassonne
Paris Beauvais
Brussels
Grenoble
Madrid
Valencia
Murcia
Hamburg
Berlin
Frankfurt
Dusseldorf
Munich
Weeze
Innsbruck
Vilnius
Kaunus
Copenhagen
Oslo
Katowice
Milan
Venice
Rimini
Pisa
Olbia
Pula
Ljubliana
Varna
Islamabad
Bridgetown
Miami
New York
Banjul
Toronto

There are probably others. I have excluded the ones lost that we are now getting back next year such as Sharm el Sheikh, Santorini etc. I have also excluded Plymouth seeing as Plymouth no longer has an airport to fly to. I have, however, included routes that now operate only a few times at certain times of year (eg Berlin, Copenhagen) but which have operated as regular scheduled all year round services in the past.
 
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White Heather said:
Just worth putting out there the regular scheduled and charter6 routes LBA has had, and lost, over the years. Quite an eye opener!

London Heathrow
London Gatwick
London City
Southampton
Newquay
Bournemouth
Bristol
Cardiff
Stansted
Norwich
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Inverness
Cork
Shannon
Knock
Galway
Isle of Man
La Rochelle
Lille
Toulouse
Carcassonne
Paris Beauvais
Brussels
Grenoble
Madrid
Valencia
Murcia
Hamburg
Berlin
Frankfurt
Dusseldorf
Munich
Weeze
Innsbruck
Vilnius
Kaunus
Copenhagen
Katowice
Milan
Venice
Pisa
Pula
Ljubliana
Varna
Islamabad
Bridgetown
Miami
New York
Banjul

There are probably others. I have excluded the ones lost that we are now getting back next year such as Sharm el Sheikh, Santorini etc.
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Worth sending to Declan Maguire?
 
The UK domestic market isn't what it was and we know we suffer from being centrally located with a good train service from Leeds itself to various parts of the UK so we can forget most of the UK stuff - would say London, Newquay, Southampton (which nearly happened for this year) and Aberdeen have some limited potential.
Ireland should be a huge opportunity and most of the international ones ought to be a goer tbh
But yes @LBAYORKIE I think that could be a good read for Mr Maguire.
 
Disappointing to learn that BA do not think a LHR route would be viable with A320 equipment. Yet KLM seem to do okay, granted with a slightly smaller aircraft but with a night stopper.
Leeds and Edinburgh are similar, fairly affluent. Traffic to all London airports from Edinburgh is huge, and a good rail service as well but of course Edinburgh is much more of a distance compared to Leeds. Tourism to Edinburgh is also a big factor nevertheless West Yorkshire (York) draws in many visitors so I would have thought this would have helped a LHR/LBA route. Surely with a night stopper or based aircraft at LBA some operator would find a London airport viable, especially Heathrow. Time will tell.
 
rmack said:
Disappointing to learn that BA do not think a LHR route would be viable with A320 equipment. Yet KLM seem to do okay, granted with a slightly smaller aircraft but with a night stopper.
Leeds and Edinburgh are similar, fairly affluent. Traffic to all London airports from Edinburgh is huge, and a good rail service as well but of course Edinburgh is much more of a distance compared to Leeds. Tourism to Edinburgh is also a big factor nevertheless West Yorkshire (York) draws in many visitors so I would have thought this would have helped a LHR/LBA route. Surely with a night stopper or based aircraft at LBA some operator would find a London airport viable, especially Heathrow. Time will tell.
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We all know that had they based here, operated more frequently and at more sensible times for connections, the passenger numbers would probably have been much better than the average 65% load they got on an A319. But that, it seems, is their evidence against coming back.
 
Re our domestic rail services. Edinburgh, Bristol and Plymouth are hourly. 2 a day to Glasgow and only 1 a day to Aberdeen. The big problem is that all are operated by Cross Country whose crappy overcrowded Yovager units that turn up are 4 car units most of the time.
 
Finger66 said:
The UK domestic market isn't what it was and we know we suffer from being centrally located with a good train service from Leeds itself to various parts of the UK so we can forget most of the UK stuff - would say London, Newquay, Southampton (which nearly happened for this year) and Aberdeen have some limited potential.
Ireland should be a huge opportunity and most of the international ones ought to be a goer tbh
But yes @LBAYORKIE I think that could be a good read for Mr Maguire.
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752 said:
Agreed the Irish ones are absolutely achievable. NQY 100% has summer potential. There is a number of routes on that list which absolutely would work well from LBA.
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rmack said:
Disappointing to learn that BA do not think a LHR route would be viable with A320 equipment. Yet KLM seem to do okay, granted with a slightly smaller aircraft but with a night stopper.
Leeds and Edinburgh are similar, fairly affluent. Traffic to all London airports from Edinburgh is huge, and a good rail service as well but of course Edinburgh is much more of a distance compared to Leeds. Tourism to Edinburgh is also a big factor nevertheless West Yorkshire (York) draws in many visitors so I would have thought this would have helped a LHR/LBA route. Surely with a night stopper or based aircraft at LBA some operator would find a London airport viable, especially Heathrow. Time will tell.
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White Heather said:
Just worth putting out there the regular scheduled and charter routes LBA has had, and lost, over the years. Quite an eye opener!

London Heathrow
London Gatwick
London City
Southampton
Newquay
Bournemouth
Bristol
Cardiff
Stansted
Norwich
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Inverness
Cork
Shannon
Knock
Galway
Isle of Man
La Rochelle
Lille
Toulouse
Carcassonne
Paris Beauvais
Brussels
Grenoble
Madrid
Valencia
Murcia
Hamburg
Berlin
Frankfurt
Dusseldorf
Munich
Weeze
Innsbruck
Vilnius
Kaunus
Copenhagen
Oslo
Katowice
Milan
Venice
Pisa
Pula
Ljubliana
Varna
Islamabad
Bridgetown
Miami
New York
Banjul

There are probably others. I have excluded the ones lost that we are now getting back next year such as Sharm el Sheikh, Santorini etc.
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Did Swe-Fly do Lahore from LBA?
Also, I could add Rimini.
Plus Thomson's also did Cairo, Athens and Tel Aviv for a very short series of charters back in around 1980, all went via LTN.
They also did a small series of flights to Lisbon, also in 1980. I flew on one of them with my parents.
Our first flight from LBA. The flight was scheduled to go via CWL for refueling but as it was an unusually cold, damp and foggy August day, we (unfortunately for plane spotting me!) flew direct off LBA's then 5400ft runway. It was the same day a BMA viscount had aquaplanned whilst landing on runway 33 (32) We arrived at the terminal to see it being towed to the old black hanger that used to exist at the east of the terminal!
 
Even with the rise of rail and continuous scrutiny over domestic aviation carbon footprints, unserved domestic sectors from Leeds Bradford could be an absolute goldmine right now due to a combination of crumbling ground infrastructure and Yorkshire's unique geography. I maybe the odd one out here, but I honestly still think domestic flights could still work extremely well from Yorkshire's airport.

While Belfast is already well covered, key unserved links to Southampton, Newquay, and across the border to Glasgow, Edinburgh, or Inverness still hold immense potential. The primary driver is the sheer misery and skyrocketing cost of alternative cross country transport. Navigating the rail network from the Leeds/Bradford conurbation to the South Coast or up into Scotland has become notoriously plagued by delays, cancellations, and premium split ticketing structures, while a drive down to Cornwall or up to the Scottish Highlands is a brutal six to eight hour headache.

Furthermore, LBA sits in the middle of an affluent corporate catchment area, the UK's largest financial and legal services hub outside London, meaning a high frequency business shuttle to a cruise and maritime centre like Southampton or a financial hub like Edinburgh would capture genuine, price resilient premium traffic. On the leisure side, a seasonal route to Newquay would effortlessly tap into Yorkshire's massive holiday demand for the South West coast. Because domestic flights operate entirely within daylight hours, an operator using next generation, ultra efficient regional aircraft running ATRs or Embraer could comfortably squeeze in multiple rotations.
 
Aviador said:
Even with the rise of rail and continuous scrutiny over domestic aviation carbon footprints, unserved domestic sectors from Leeds Bradford could be an absolute goldmine right now due to a combination of crumbling ground infrastructure and Yorkshire's unique geography. I maybe the odd one out here, but I honestly still think domestic flights could still work extremely well from Yorkshire's airport.

While Belfast is already well covered, key unserved links to Southampton, Newquay, and across the border to Glasgow, Edinburgh, or Inverness still hold immense potential. The primary driver is the sheer misery and skyrocketing cost of alternative cross country transport. Navigating the rail network from the Leeds/Bradford conurbation to the South Coast or up into Scotland has become notoriously plagued by delays, cancellations, and premium split ticketing structures, while a drive down to Cornwall or up to the Scottish Highlands is a brutal six to eight hour headache.

Furthermore, LBA sits in the middle of an affluent corporate catchment area, the UK's largest financial and legal services hub outside London, meaning a high frequency business shuttle to a cruise and maritime centre like Southampton or a financial hub like Edinburgh would capture genuine, price resilient premium traffic. On the leisure side, a seasonal route to Newquay would effortlessly tap into Yorkshire's massive holiday demand for the South West coast. Because domestic flights operate entirely within daylight hours, an operator using next generation, ultra efficient regional aircraft running ATRs or Embraer could comfortably squeeze in multiple rotations.
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Half expected Loganair to pick up SOU as a replacement for BI, however this hasn’t materialised. I do wonder if they are fully committed at SOU as nothing new has been added since they opened their base at the start of this year. A summer seasonal SOU-LBA would probably do well during the busy cruise season!
 
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