American Airlines

[User001]

Still using the B787 in summer.

What's galling is, looking at April and May, there was actually a strong uptake of J on the majority of flights. God knows what AA is doing.

 

[Aceshigh]

A 5 months service is useless IMHO.

 

[Land23R]

More business for the shuttle over the 7 months Aces?

Or will pax be happy to switch to other carriers - well UA and VS/DL who operate to hubs from MAN?

I guess the issue is the Loyalty / Gold Card holders (or whatever the term is now) who may sigh but put up with flying via LHR.

 

[Dobbo]

Problem for BA is that there is a new generation of frequent flyers who will have grown up without BA, and have no residual loyalty with them. MAN may well be a dying market for them without substantial change.

 

[Land23R]

Wondered how long it would be before there was a comment that another hand was at work on this. See post on that other forum. (apologies if this reference conflicts with policy).

 

[Dobbo]

Indeed - a query cryptic comment I thought.

Could refer to almost anyone flying TATL (current or proposed) ex MAN - as soon as anyone expands it is at AA's expense...

 

[Chilly Dog]

There's a note on another forum about the current state of long haul on AA out of ORD.

The only remaining year-round destinations now are LHR, PVG, NRT and BJS (I haven't fact checked this) - so, disappointing though it is to lose the year-round service, that was pretty distinguished company MAN was keeping there!

 

[Yawner]

Chicago hasn't been year round for a while. The season 2018 will be the shortest yet tho and probably the last.

 

[Dobbo]

It's a shame for AA, but I wonder whether a new entrant is teed up either for ORD or another Midwest gateway.

 

[Jerry]

It's a shame for AA, but I wonder whether a new entrant is teed up either for ORD or another Midwest gateway.

Could Virgin look at Minneapolis or Detroit because they are both Delta hubs? Would make AA cut down on ORD?

 

[Land23R]

I don't want to raise false hopes but the AA web site shows non-stop flights MAN-ORD and fares from Sunday 25th March still.
Do I take it they've simply not updated their web site if in fact flights are not restarting until June?

Where did the news of the reduced season come from out of interest. It's not made Routes News yet as far as I can see.

 

[Chilly Dog]

Chicago hasn't been year round for a while. The season 2018 will be the shortest yet tho and probably the last.

Oops - I should have fact checked after all.

And yes Land23R - AA still showing (and selling) MAN-CHI from March 25:

20MAR18-16APR18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /CHICAGO METR
25MAR 1234567 MAN ORD 1200 1415 AA 55 788

TUE 10APR18 MANCHESTER /CHICAGO METR *AA
10APR TUE MAN/Z$1 CHI/CDT-6
1 MAN ORD 1200 1415 AA 55 J7 R7 D7 I7 Y7 B0 H7 K7 M7 L7#788C*E
2 MAN PHL 1050 1330 AA 735 J7 R7 D7 I7 W7 P7 Y7 B0 H7 K7#332C*E
3 ORD 1544 1646 AA 455 J7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 G7#321C*E
4 MAN LHR 0835 0945 AA6365 J7 R7 D4 I7 Y7 H7 K7 M7 L0 G7#319C*E
OPERATED BY BRITISH AIRWAYS
5 ORD 1050 1325 AA6195 F3 A3 J7 R7 D7 I7 W3 P0 Y7 H7#747C*E
OPERATED BY BRITISH AIRWAYS

 

[Dobbo]

I have to say I haven't seen a press release, but the same applied for JFK so it's probably on the cards...

 

[Land23R]

I strongly suspect you are right Dobbo. It just seems pretty poor to me if the decision has been taken and yet AA are still displaying, presumably bookable, flights from 25 March. I was just curious from where Ethan got his information.

 

[Little G]

checked in for PHL this morning and they said ORD wasn’t starting until June but confirmed it was a B787. Also said they were expecting PHL to change to B787 for summer period which is not such good news IMHO as we would loose PE.

 

[ethanegcc]

The information was from airliners.net. Have no idea about the reliability of the source, but also mentioned new DFW-KEF route. It happened like this for JFK, but cutting EDI-JFK was also rumoured and didn't happen, so I suppose there's a slim chance.

 

[Land23R]

Sadly, bad news for MAN invariably turns out to be true, and Little G had the June resumption confirmed this morning.

If the a/c changes on the PHL, the B788 has 226 seats compared to the 258 on the A332, according to seat guru. However, there are 28 J class sets instead of only 20 on the Airbus

 

[Dobbo]

checked in for PHL this morning and they said ORD wasn’t starting until June but confirmed it was a B787. Also said they were expecting PHL to change to B787 for summer period which is not such good news IMHO as we would loose PE.

Was there any reason? I assume it is simply cutting the route to the core summer months where the B788 is best deployed and simply not operating it with the B752...

 

[Chilly Dog]

checked in for PHL this morning and they said ORD wasn’t starting until June but confirmed it was a B787. Also said they were expecting PHL to change to B787 for summer period which is not such good news IMHO as we would loose PE.

That's pretty big news! Not sure AA currently base 787s at PHL.

789s have Y+...but I guess this must be 788s?

If so that's 8 extra J class seats but 83 fewer basic economy seats... 40 fewer every day if you include economy plus.

 

[ethanegcc]

As previously noted, no 787s are based in the former US Airways bases of Phoenix or Philadelphia. I can’t see the 787 operating the Philly route in the near future.