Route Development & Rumours

[lbaspotter]

Can you clarify - if the management team have firmly debunked a done deal with Play, that means they are saying there isn't one. That Play are NOT coming to LBA, or at least there is no agreement to do so. Is that what you are saying?

There is no agreement in place by looks of things. As he words were "this post contains miss information"

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

They’re playing with words then. Sounds to me a standard management response.

 

[Aviador]

Surely it would be inappropriate for the airport or airline to disclose or discuss what so far as we know remains until formally announced just a conversation between the two parties. A discussion which may result in nothing coming to fruition. These types of talks will be sensitive as other airports and airlines may try to offer a different deal to one potentially proposed. As such it is probably best that we keep it as a friendly hypothetical discussion until such time as we know more through the correct channels.

 

[Len Fish]

As is the usual practice in business “Commercial in confidence” will be the order of the day until such time if or when a public announcement is made.

 

[752]

Well, well.

I've had it firmly debunked today on twitter by one of LBA's management team that Play is an already done deal..

So it remains to be seen if or not Play reapply for slots this coming winter 2023/24 season.

Maybe LBA management don't want this sensitive information being posted on twitter? maybe it is miss information because the deal is not yet done? there is many different ways you can look at the "misinformation" it could be miss information from yourself lbaspotter about the deal been done. I am surprised someone from the management team would post on twitter (whether it be true or false) we all know how silent they was about APS airways..

 

[Finger66]

And they had damn good reason with IPS - they saw straight through that one

 

[lbaspotter]

Has anyone got access to the LBA Winter 2023/2924 ACL Slot coordination Report?

I'm just wondering if any new routes by our existing airlines have appeared or if any new operators have shown an interest by applying for slots...

 

[HX3]

even a generic link to the ACL Report would be useful (even if not Leeds specific)

 

[Scottie Dog]

even a generic link to the ACL Report would be useful (even if not Leeds specific)

Unfortunately, according to the ACL website, the report for Leeds are only available by contacting ACL.
I'll try making a call on Monday to a contact that I have, but no promises as to the outcome.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Unfortunately, according to the ACL website, the report for Leeds are only available by contacting ACL.
I'll try making a call on Monday to a contact that I have, but no promises as to the outcome.

I didnt think Leeds was slot restricted - so no report ?

 

[Starflyer]

ACL appear to be producing pre-season reports for most airports now, even those which aren't Level 3 coordinated. It's an automated report so guess it's now easier than before when the reports used to be manually compiled.

I haven't seen one for LBA but have seen the slot data for the winter.

Emerald - BHD goes to 4 x daily but with 3rd flight suspended Jan/Feb. DUB at 2 x daily with a third flight on Thu/Fri/Sun afternoons from 16 November.

easyJet - per on sale schedule for BFS.

Ryanair - MAX (sorry, "Gamechanger") on one of the based lines of flying and quite a lot of the away-based flying - Monday both DUBs, ALC; Tuesday KRK; Wednesday ALC and late DUB; Friday KRK, WRO, late DUB; Saturday POZ; Sunday late DUB.

Aurigny - three flights over Christmas

KLM - E190 3 x daily AMS but with quite a bit of E175 flying on the late afternoon in/out at different times of the season.

Jet2 - per on sale programme.

Play - daily KEF A321 arrive 0940, depart 1050. They have applied at lots of other airports as well inc MAN so guidance would be believe it when you see it.

Wizz - all A321 programme on OTP, CLJ, KTW, WAW, GDN, WRO and KRK. Totals 19 turns per week applied for on the slots.

That's it - nothing else wildly exciting, I'm afraid.

 

[Finger66]

Even if we get the above, excluding Play, this is a great recovery from the pandemic and far busier than LBA used to be in winter, so bring it on. And without doing a deliberate LBA4EVER impression I think serious movement will happen once the terminal is sorted. Of course has to be away based a/c as not enough stands for more based.........just yet anyway!

 

[White Heather]

Even if we get the above, excluding Play, this is a great recovery from the pandemic and far busier than LBA used to be in winter, so bring it on. And without doing a deliberate LBA4EVER impression I think serious movement will happen once the terminal is sorted. Of course has to be away based a/c as not enough stands for more based.........just yet anyway!

Night movements quotas appear to be a bigger obstacle now than stands for additional based aircraft. Stands can be built. Night quotas need a planning application to be increased, and we all know what that would lead to!!

 

[lbaspotter]

ACL appear to be producing pre-season reports for most airports now, even those which aren't Level 3 coordinated. It's an automated report so guess it's now easier than before when the reports used to be manually compiled.

I haven't seen one for LBA but have seen the slot data for the winter.

Emerald - BHD goes to 4 x daily but with 3rd flight suspended Jan/Feb. DUB at 2 x daily with a third flight on Thu/Fri/Sun afternoons from 16 November.

easyJet - per on sale schedule for BFS.

Ryanair - MAX (sorry, "Gamechanger") on one of the based lines of flying and quite a lot of the away-based flying - Monday both DUBs, ALC; Tuesday KRK; Wednesday ALC and late DUB; Friday KRK, WRO, late DUB; Saturday POZ; Sunday late DUB.

Aurigny - three flights over Christmas

KLM - E190 3 x daily AMS but with quite a bit of E175 flying on the late afternoon in/out at different times of the season.

Jet2 - per on sale programme.

Play - daily KEF A321 arrive 0940, depart 1050. They have applied at lots of other airports as well inc MAN so guidance would be believe it when you see it.

Wizz - all A321 programme on OTP, CLJ, KTW, WAW, GDN, WRO and KRK. Totals 19 turns per week applied for on the slots.

That's it - nothing else wildly exciting, I'm afraid.

That's the kind of Info & reply I was looking for, thankyou for the update @Starflyer

 

[Starflyer]

I'm surprised that the airport did not register the point that last year was the most disrupted year for air travel in living memory, and the number of late-running flights as a result of the widely-reported turmoil in the aviation industry was a large contributory factor to this inadvertent overshoot of the planning limits.

Another thing that the airport could do is to go Level 3 fully slot coordinated for certain times of day (as Bristol is proposing to do) to improve controls around the number of flights scheduled through the night period and through the peripheral periods surrounding it.

 

[HX3]

Thank you all for the updates

 

[White Heather]

I'm surprised that the airport did not register the point that last year was the most disrupted year for air travel in living memory, and the number of late-running flights as a result of the widely-reported turmoil in the aviation industry was a large contributory factor to this inadvertent overshoot of the planning limits.

Another thing that the airport could do is to go Level 3 fully slot coordinated for certain times of day (as Bristol is proposing to do) to improve controls around the number of flights scheduled through the night period and through the peripheral periods surrounding it.

I'm certain LBA will have told the Council about the delays caused by the disruption as aviation sorted itself out again, (they certainly explained this to the Consultative Committee) but, apart from stating that there were various reasons for exceeding the quota, they have opted to simply hold up their hands, and not put forward any excuses. We all know the problems, but unfortunately the quota applies irrespective.

I would imagine that the airport, and council, discussed how to deal with this in order to minimise the pain, and to shut up the people who spend their sad lives tracking LBA flights as soon as possible and this was seen as the way to go.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Even if we get the above, excluding Play, this is a great recovery from the pandemic and far busier than LBA used to be in winter, so bring it on. And without doing a deliberate LBA4EVER impression I think serious movement will happen once the terminal is sorted. Of course has to be away based a/c as not enough stands for more based.........just yet anyway!

Is someone talking about me.. Haha LBA has had a great recovery yes more so than most other airports. Wizz using an all A321 aircraft on all its expanded 19 flights is great news and in my opinion are the ones that could bring some serious pax figures and exciting routes to our airport, if they one day actually get on and expand the terminal and apron then id expect more growth from wizz.

 

[Starflyer]

The overshoot on the night movements will play right into GALBA's hands and as far as they are concerned, it doesn't matter what you say - it is indeed an overshoot versus the planning consent. However, as far as the reasonable (non-GALBA) people reading LBA's response, the balance might have helped to context it and kept a few reasonable and supportive people on side.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Is someone talking about me.. Haha LBA has had a great recovery yes more so than most other airports. Wizz using an all A321 aircraft on all its expanded 19 flights is great news and in my opinion are the ones that could bring some serious pax figures and exciting routes to our airport, if they one day actually get on and expand the terminal and apron then id expect more growth from wizz.

Plenty potential but given night quota constraints basing aircraft here is not going to happen.