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Looks like MAN also to get KLMs new A21N on one of their daily rotations from the end of October. We really need competition for them on AMS to wake them back up because until we have that they can do what they want at LBA. Is the reduction in capacity them saying to LBA be careful what you agree to with U2 I wonder?
 
Finger66 said:
Looks like MAN also to get KLMs new A21N on one of their daily rotations from the end of October. We really need competition for them on AMS to wake them back up because until we have that they can do what they want at LBA. Is the reduction in capacity them saying to LBA be careful what you agree to with U2 I wonder?
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Let's remember it's only on the LBA-AMS route that they are expensive, for onward destinations they are competitive.
 
Aviador said:
The user in question has revisited since this morning and hasn't made any attempt to correct himself. So for that reason he has been given some temporary leave from the forum. Hopefully enough time for the soap to work as he washes his mouth out.
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Oh thats a blow Aviador...I was just about to ask him how many flights departed this morning from his beloved Doncaster........oh hang on a minute 🤔🙄
 
KLM have just put the Amsterdam to Leeds route on sale for summer 2025. Currently shown operating 3x daily Sunday to Friday & 2x daily Saturday all on KLM City Hoppers own metal.

Both the night stopper and tea time rotation are shown operated by Embraer 190 whilst the mid-morning rotation is shown operated by the larger brand-new Embraer E190-E2’s.
 
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Good to see some growth in this area - I would agree with other comments that hub and spoke operators have got to be the way forward to supplement the LCCs ad drive inward business traffic - as we all know a 55 mile trip to MAN can easily lose you half a day not to mention all the extra time transiting the airport.

Just catching up on this thread after a crazy week and sorry to see it became personal at one of the airport's (and forum's) strongest supporters - surely this is a forum to air views on how the airport can develop responsibly and help grow the region which benefits us all!

Am travelling on a KL321 next May so will do a bit of an update and will be through the airport next week flying LS (a 733 so fingers crossed on reliability! so will try to grab some pictures! I did the E2 a year or so ago - lovely quiet machine - felt more like a main line aircraft with the 3 cabin crew although seating still 2x2.
 
Problems at AMS/KLM continue, albeit with ramifications all over the place. I have just booked LBA/OSL and return for late October, and one of the AMS/OSL legs is with SAS and an A320NEO, as opposed to the normal KLM 737. Posh! Seriously there are continuing problems with Norwegian this morning with staff cuts appearing to be on the cards. How about KLM taking SAS and NA into their fold? Just a thought.
 
Bhowani said:
Problems at AMS/KLM continue, albeit with ramifications all over the place. I have just booked LBA/OSL and return for late October, and one of the AMS/OSL legs is with SAS and an A320NEO, as opposed to the normal KLM 737. Posh! Seriously there are continuing problems with Norwegian this morning with staff cuts appearing to be on the cards. How about KLM taking SAS and NA into their fold? Just a thought.
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SAS is now a Skyteam member.
 
Jerry said:
No only recently. They were part of Star Alliance previously.
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No definitely Skyteam, sorry.

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This was from back in 2016
 
KLM CITY HOPPER SUMMER 2025 SCHEDULE

Leeds/Bradford - Amsterdam

Up to 20x weekly* (3x daily Mon-Fri, Sun & 2x daily Sat)

E190 = Embraer 190
E295 = Embraer 195-E2

Mondays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 31/03-21/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 31/03-23/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 30/06-18/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 25/08-21/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 31/03-21/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 31/03-23/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 30/06-18/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 25/08-21/10

Tuesdays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 01/04-22/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 01/04-24/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 01/07-19/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 26/08-22/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 01/04-22/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 01/04-24/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 01/07-19/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 26/08-22/10

Wednesdays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 02/04-23/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 02/04-25/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 02/07-20/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 27/08-23/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 02/04-23/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 03/04-25/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 02/07-20/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 27/08-23/10

Thursdays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 03/04-24/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 03/04-26/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 03/07-21/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 28/08-24/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 03/04-24/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 03/04-26/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 03/07-21/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 28/08-24/10

Fridays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 04/04-25/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 04/04-27/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 04/07-22/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 29/08-25/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 04/04-25/10
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 04/04-27/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 04/07-22/08
KLM1025 = AMS 21:50 - LBA 22:00 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 29/08-25/10

Saturdays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 05/04-26/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 05/04-26/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 06/04-26/10

Sundays
-------------------------------------- / KLM1018 = LBA 06:20 - AMS 08:40 = E190 30/03-20/10
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 30/03-22/06
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E190 29/06-24/08
KLM1019 = AMS 09:20 - LBA 09:30 / KLM1020 = LBA 10:05 - AMS 12:15 = E295 31/08-20/10
KLM1023 = AMS 16:40 - LBA 16:50 / KLM1024 = LBA 17:20 - AMS 19:35 = E190 30/03-20/10
KLM1025 = AMS 22:10 - LBA 22:20 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 31/03-22/06
KLM1025 = AMS 22:25 - LBA 22:35 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 29/06-24/08
KLM1025 = AMS 22:10 - LBA 22:20 / ----------------- N/S ---------------- = E190 31/08-20/10
 
Not strictly LBA related but we should thank our lucky stars that we do not have T3 equipment on our AMS service! My friend flew from NCL to BCN yesterday via AMS, he used the 13.45 which I think subsequently became T3. It's the MME based E190 that uses its 'spare' time to do a NCL run out of AMS. Looking at the track record it's been on time once maybe twice in the last week (not helpful on a connecting trunk route) and true to form yesterday it landed 20 minutes late. My friend made his connection but his bags did not! I did say I felt he was a bit crazy doing a 45 min connection even if it was KL as they are not perfect!

He said on board the service was as you would get from KL (same wine etc) with T3 crew and the Holland Herald was in the seat pocket! Moral of the story is if its T3 think carefully about connecting times in AMS and dont cut it too fine!
 
AirBingley said:
Not strictly LBA related but we should thank our lucky stars that we do not have T3 equipment on our AMS service! My friend flew from NCL to BCN yesterday via AMS, he used the 13.45 which I think subsequently became T3. It's the MME based E190 that uses its 'spare' time to do a NCL run out of AMS. Looking at the track record it's been on time once maybe twice in the last week (not helpful on a connecting trunk route) and true to form yesterday it landed 20 minutes late. My friend made his connection but his bags did not! I did say I felt he was a bit crazy doing a 45 min connection even if it was KL as they are not perfect!

He said on board the service was as you would get from KL (same wine etc) with T3 crew and the Holland Herald was in the seat pocket! Moral of the story is if its T3 think carefully about connecting times in AMS and dont cut it too fine!
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To illustrate the point my friend flew from Teesside earlier this week, T3 was an hour late and connection to IAD was missed. Rerouted via CDG but bags didnt make it.
 
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