Route Development & Rumours

[Brum X]

Primera...

Primera have recently added some charter flights from Paris CDG to Palma De Mallorca in S18

 

[Coathanger16]

Did I miss this when it was announced before - Eurowings (Germanwings) flying Birmingham to Berlin Tegel from 1st December?

 

[thunderchild]

It appears to be just a few flights on weekends into early January. Christmas market trips I'm guessing? A shame as Eurowings would be a good shout for Berlin.

 

[Coathanger16]

It appears to be just a few flights on weekends into early January. Christmas market trips I'm guessing? A shame as Eurowings would be a good shout for Berlin.

Ah yes, I vaguely remember something being mentioned about that.

Berlin really does need another airline on that route to compete with Flybe. Eurowings is as good an airline as any for it, plus they already have a presence at BHX. Perhaps with Air Berlin set to disappear, that may give Eurowings some room to grow at Berlin?

 

[Ray Finkle]

Berlin could be a real winner for them. Lufthansa had some great loads on their Berlin flights and announced that it was to be upgraded to an A320, as we know the flight was then chopped before that upgrade ever came into effect.

Lets hope that these sell well and it gives them something to think about.

 

[Jon Dempsey]

Hope it's not Air Berlin!!

 

[Brum X]

Berlin is also one that Monarch or Jet2 could take on.

 

[jfy1999]

If anyone is interested here is the Berlin schedule for Eurowings

Friday/Sunday
EW8330 TXL1320 – 1420BHX
EW8331 BHX1500 – 1750TXL

 

[58terminus]

It was another route that was starting to become rather overheated so I guess something had to give

I wonder how many times you have posted these words or similar in the last few years Ray?
It is sad when you think of the routes that are under or not served.Dare i mention Orlando.
I might upset a few people here but was the previous management to concerned with keeping the runway
busy now rather than looking long term? At what point do you say to an airline we are happy for you start
a route but we will not be giving you a deal as we have existing carrier's on the route we don't want to upset?
Probably never but it does seem to lead to feast or famine.

 

[nwoody2001]

Who's to say that doesn't happen already? Only because an airline is at the airport doesnt mean a special deal was sorted. I would be shocked if the airport also didn't incentivise unserved/underserved routes above existing ones. However, if an airline fancy its chances, why would an airport ever turn business and paying customers away?!

Once 2 or 3 airlines fight fir a route, it's bound to get the attention of others who also think they will be in with a shot. Someone will always loose out though!

Business in the aviation business isn't about striking a balance, it's about making money and survival, hopefully about your competitors!!

 

[58terminus]

It's an interesting topic.If an airport does a deal with an airline based on passenger throughput and these fail to
materialize can the airport loose money? If the passengers that are using it are diluting another airlines passengers
is there less revenue from that airline? Could you in fact increase passenger numbers on a route whilst taking less revenue from the airlines. I guess that's where rip off parking and retail steps in.

 

[Ray Finkle]

The Cobalt thread took an interesting turn but the topic is a good one so I think it would be more suited to carry on the discussion here

In the case of Larnaca one has to wonder if Jet2 and Blue Air got a blanket deal covering all of their services or whether any offer was just for those routes that the airport deem as needing more capacity. One also has to wonder if Cobalt may have received less of an incentive as the route is already well covered. We could potentially end up with a situation where three new airlines arrive to one particular destination with incentives, as part of a wider offer, applying to only two of those. In that scenario airline number three would find it very difficult to absorb any early losses.

Obviously the above is pure guesswork and only those involved in the talks will know the full details.

 

[rollo]

I would have thought Jet2 would have got a good deal to open a base full stop and maybe a further incentive for any new route.

Wonder what it would take to persuade them to send a A330 to operate MCO which you could just about consider a new route, only flying a kite so to speak but airport incentives are an interesting and murky topic.

 

[BHX492]

With the start of September what do you think the 2 routes will be announced by primera air will be

 

[IanFarquharson]

One will be Toronto
I have the schedule in front of me but the airline are still In Talks with the Canadian authorities

 

[BHX492]

So you know the other route them

 

[User002]

Nothing been rumored at all for the fourth route, but bearing in mind the range restriction it could be Washington or somewhere else in Canada ?
Let hope Monarch see sense and they do restart long haul lets hope it is centered around BHX as we are the airport who need the capacity.

 

[Brum X]

One will be Toronto
I have the schedule in front of me but the airline are still In Talks with the Canadian authorities

It will be great to finally see more capacity to Toronto if confirmed.

 

[TM3]

Story in Anna Aero today that with the Cathay's announcement of new routes to Dublin, Copenhagen and Brussels Birmingham is now the second biggest unserved route between HKG and Europe.

Maybe BHX will be in the next round of Cathay route announcements?

http://www.anna.aero/2017/09/01/cathay-pacific-airways-announces-service-brussels-copenhagen-dublin/

 

[BHXsupporter]

I'd use it and so would some neighbours.