Route Development & Rumours

[Brum X]

I noticed that but thought it was a very poorly positioned Toronto?

Sorry ive not seen the map, is there 2 dots ?? One for YYZ and One possibly for ORD ???

 

[Ray Finkle]

 

[Brum X]

It is YYZ but hopefully we will have a dot on ORD very soon

 

[Brum X]

Also it is a little false that they dont include everywhere you can fly direct from BHX as there would be a fair few more dots on that map, incl Orlando, MBJ, BGI etc etc

 

[User001]

I normally like the CAPA articles, however, this one seems to be full of inaccuracies.

As pointed out, Emirates is 3 a day every day.

The article states the A380 will help stimulate cargo growth, when in fact the A380 is a poor cargo capacity aircraft.

It states that it carries more cargo payload than a lot of airports higher up the CAA cargo stats.

But, this is one comment which to me dismisses a lot of credibility of the report and a comment I expect better of from CAPA

Says that BHX will grow faster than MAN because 'MAN has maxed out its European destinations'. Now, I'm fully prepared for the myriad of eye rolls, but, the comments below would be valid for any airport pair, not just MAN/BHX.

Firstly, there are still lots of destinations open to MAN. Trondheim, Seville, Bucharest, Vagar, Pristina, Timisoara to name a few.

Secondly, how can it just dismiss frequency and capacity expansion as a reason MAN won't grow as fast? Despite the sterling work by BHX and the supposed 'maxed out' status of MAN, the growth at the latter still outstrips BHX by a factor of at least 2:1.

Thirdly, just because a route is served from MAN does not automatically mean it could/should be served from BHX. And this works vice versa, given DEL/ASG/OTp work at BHX but not MAN at this time. Therefore the route growth into the same number of markets is not guaranteed.

Like I say, I normally love the CAPA articles, but there seem to be a few lately that seem to be almost a rush job or not researched well. Their last MAN ones were full of inaccuracies too.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Like I say, I normally love the CAPA articles, but there seem to be a few lately that seem to be almost a rush job or not researched well. Their last MAN ones were full of inaccuracies too.

I made the same comment in another thread a few months ago about another CAPA article. Like you I said then that CAPA is usually to be very much relied upon but on that occasion it was full of holes.

 

[Brummiegem]

Qatar Airways was the main topic obviously,but reference was made toward new RYR flights as well as 'A Chinese Airline about to announce a new service ',rumour.
This was on the lunchtime edition of Midlands Today.
It seems the good news hasn't quite finished yet

 

[nwoody2001]

ah very good..... will have to wait until the report is uploaded online ...

 

[justplanecrazy]

So it's guess the new base airline and guess the new Chinese airline! But I think we all know who that is!

 

[thunderchild]

12:20 is the time to be at BHX tomorrow when the EK A380 and Qatar 787 should arrive almost simultaneously. I doubt many of us thought that would have been a reality this time last year.

Infact looking at all the arrivals for tomorrow the difference in variety - both airlines and aircraft - is quite impressive from 18 months ago.

I think the general consensus is that there is more to come. A route in some shape or form to China is looking more certain, hopefully Wizz and Vueling aren't finished, Ryanair are slowly starting to show an interest again and given that MAN looks set to become a battleground between VS and TCX for North America I wonder if BHX’s ambitions of gaining Norwegian long haul have improved?

 

[Ray Finkle]

Wizz Air - I'm convinced that there is more to come later this year.

Vueling - No idea, every rumour I've heard has ended up with the opposite happening. In the future I can see them covering more of the sunshine routes and hopefully a city destination or two.

Ryanair - Finally realised that they have a base at Birmingham. What's annoying me is that they're adding new routes and frequencies purely aimed at the competition rather than giving us something new. That's business I guess.

Norwegian - Rumours are that there is stuff happening behind the scenes so we'll wait and see. Mr Pearson's words were encouraging though.

Not to forget Monarch who are supposedly planning more.

We also have to wait and see who this potential new based airline will be

 

[JENNYJET]

Wizz Air - I'm convinced that there is more to come later this year.

Vueling - No idea, every rumour I've heard has ended up with the opposite happening. In the future I can see them covering more of the sunshine routes and hopefully a city destination or two.

Ryanair - Finally realised that they have a base at Birmingham. What's annoying me is that they're adding new routes and frequencies purely aimed at the competition rather than giving us something new. That's business I guess.

Norwegian - Rumours are that there is stuff happening behind the scenes so we'll wait and see. Mr Pearson's words were encouraging though.

Not to forget Monarch who are supposedly planning more.

We also have to wait and see who this potential new based airline will be

Wizz Air - I'm convinced that there is more to come later this year.

Vueling - No idea, every rumour I've heard has ended up with the opposite happening. In the future I can see them covering more of the sunshine routes and hopefully a city destination or two.

Ryanair - Finally realised that they have a base at Birmingham. What's annoying me is that they're adding new routes and frequencies purely aimed at the competition rather than giving us something new. That's business I guess.

Norwegian - Rumours are that there is stuff happening behind the scenes so we'll wait and see. Mr Pearson's words were encouraging though.

Not to forget Monarch who are supposedly planning more.

We also have to wait and see who this potential new based airline will be

Wizz Air - I'm convinced that there is more to come later this year.

Vueling - No idea, every rumour I've heard has ended up with the opposite happening. In the future I can see them covering more of the sunshine routes and hopefully a city destination or two.

Ryanair - Finally realised that they have a base at Birmingham. What's annoying me is that they're adding new routes and frequencies purely aimed at the competition rather than giving us something new. That's business I guess.

Norwegian - Rumours are that there is stuff happening behind the scenes so we'll wait and see. Mr Pearson's words were encouraging though.

Not to forget Monarch who are supposedly planning more.

We also have to wait and see who this potential new based airline will be

12:20 is the time to be at BHX tomorrow when the EK A380 and Qatar 787 should arrive almost simultaneously. I doubt many of us thought that would have been a reality this time last year.

Infact looking at all the arrivals for tomorrow the difference in variety - both airlines and aircraft - is quite impressive from 18 months ago.

I think the general consensus is that there is more to come. A route in some shape or form to China is looking more certain, hopefully Wizz and Vueling aren't finished, Ryanair are slowly starting to show an interest again and given that MAN looks set to become a battleground between VS and TCX for North America I wonder if BHX’s ambitions of gaining Norwegian long haul have improved?

 

[JENNYJET]

I know it is a long shot but why not British Airways? Given that BHX has taken their diversions with ease and that London is congested they might consider moving a few Vacation routes I.e Miami, Nairobi, Mexico City or LAX......away from Gatwick and/or Heathrow.

The upgrading of Emirates to A380 and Qatar commencing services may alert them that they once served BHX and it is still open!

On Manchester, a few more M6 closures and airlines might hear the penny drop and BHX has something to their advantage.

 

[DaveBham]

Hell will freeze over before London Airways abandons its hub and spoke operation. For some reason, their business model couldn't make money in the regions, while plenty of others have found they can. Look at Emirates - 3x777's flying out of BHX still wasn't enough to cope with demand, so they had to upgrade the lunchtime flight to a bigger aircraft.

A little part of me would love to see BA become a truly national 'British' airline again, but it would take a seismic shift in strategy for them to do this.
I flew from BHX to New York last year - it was a joy to cab it up to my local airport and hit the big apple, and then on returning back, jetlagged, roll back into a cab and arrive home.

My previous journey was from Heathrow with BA. An earlier start, plus, even with valet parking, by comparison it seemed a total faff, and on the first day in Manhattan I was too knackered to enjoy it properly. Local airports flying point to point are the future!

 

[jfy1999]

Jet2 have a press release for their winter 16/17 program and still no mention of BHX. If they were planning a BHX base for autumn then surely they would have announced it along with the winter program??

http://www.jet2.com/News/Further_Winter_Sun_Expansion_for_Jet2_com_and_Jet2holidays/

 

[nwoody2001]

Jet2 have a press release for their winter 16/17 program and still no mention of BHX. If they were planning a BHX base for autumn then surely they would have announced it along with the winter program??

http://www.jet2.com/News/Further_Winter_Sun_Expansion_for_Jet2_com_and_Jet2holidays/

Hmmmm not necessarily.... opening a new base is big news, that's news in its own right. For those good at scrutinizing schedules though and know aircraft, it could indicate some clues if there are any truth behind the rumours....

 

[Jon Dempsey]

For those good at scrutinizing schedules though and know aircraft, it could indicate some clues if there are any truth behind the rumours....

One for OltonPete on the dried plum, I reckon.

 

[Ray Finkle]

The Jet2 schedule looks an absolute nightmare to try and work out.

They do have 30 738's on order with deliveries, I think, starting September.

Even if this new based airline isn't Jet2 with them planning to start in Autumn I imagine we'll be hearing something in the next few months.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hell will freeze over before London Airways abandons its hub and spoke operation. For some reason, their business model couldn't make money in the regions, while plenty of others have found they can. Look at Emirates - 3x777's flying out of BHX still wasn't enough to cope with demand, so they had to upgrade the lunchtime flight to a bigger aircraft.

A little part of me would love to see BA become a truly national 'British' airline again, but it would take a seismic shift in strategy for them to do this.
I flew from BHX to New York last year - it was a joy to cab it up to my local airport and hit the big apple, and then on returning back, jetlagged, roll back into a cab and arrive home.

My previous journey was from Heathrow with BA. An earlier start, plus, even with valet parking, by comparison it seemed a total faff, and on the first day in Manhattan I was too knackered to enjoy it properly. Local airports flying point to point are the future!

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there jennyjet and davebham, I couldn't agree more with what both you said about BA, yes I would love to see them back tomorrow at bhx, after all these years since they pulled out, saying not profitable, loss making, I think the BA boss at the time was either Sir Colin Marshall, who eventually went up to stairs to higher boardroom level, ie president or rod Eddington, I think that British Airways have only ever been solely focused on heathrow, if they were to change their mind, that would now be job of new Chief Executive, Mr Alex Cruz, who's just left Vueling Airlines, Mr Alex Cruz starts his new role tomorrow, oh yes I just realised 1st April, 2016, let's hope it doesn't turn into an April fools joke for, and hopefully Mr Cruz can see sense, check out what's happening at Birmingham before making any decisions... Let's just wait and see, we could all be in for a big shock indeed... Andyc