Weather & Technical Diversions, Delays & Cancellations

[twevsmiff]

PH-EZD(KLM 73E) going into hold(1640) at 5000', looking for a diversion to Liverpool.

 

[tonysmith]

Gone to Liverpool 17:00

 

[oldendays]

KLM has just returned from Liverpool. Going off to Amsterdam in about half an hour.

 

[White Heather]

KLM has just returned from Liverpool. Going off to Amsterdam in about half an hour.

I wonder if it brought the pax with it, or if they are now on a bus on the M62.

 

[oldendays]

uut?

 

[A400]

The passengers were bussed back to LBA and the plane came in empty.

 

[White Heather]

The passengers were bussed back to LBA and the plane came in empty.

Thanks. I bet they won't be too happy to find when they get to LBA that their aircraft has been back in before them.

 

[A400]

Definitely not. I certainly would not be either.

 

[tonysmith]

Once happened to me and family several years ago, coming back from holiday.
Only problem was that it was school run time and they couldn’t get any buses.
So they rushed us to the train station after collecting our luggage.
Train to Leeds bus to Lba aircraft on apron not amused

 

[Len Fish]

Wonder if there’s any difference in allowable crosswind for landing between a full and empty aircraft?

 

[Aviador]

The trouble is how many people would be prepared to sit on the aircraft in say Liverpool just in hope of a weather improvement at LBA? You could sit there for two hours and still end up needing to be bussed home to LBA if the weather failed to improve.

 

[Finger66]

Passenger safety will be paramount so yes suspect limits for empty aircraft are not as severe as when pax on board. And agree with Aviador about getting pax on their way ASAP by whatever means as wouldn’t it mean even more compo the longer the delay?

 

[a300boy]

Crosswind limitation is the same with or without passengers unless the rules have changed in the last 9 years since I retired.

 

[twevsmiff]

The problem for the KLM was the crosswind plus the wet runway. If the runway had have been dry he was ok to make the approach.

 

[White Heather]

The problem for the KLM was the crosswind plus the wet runway. If the runway had have been dry he was ok to make the approach.

Its not exactly a big aircraft that's likely to need all the runway though is it? It seems a bit odd for a relatively small aircraft

 

[Yorkieflyer]

Embraer 190 manufacturers crosswind limits are: DRY 39kts, WET 33kts both Take off and landing. Ironically the B737-800W limits are DRY 33 WET 25 for take off and DRY 33 WET 33 for landing. Its how Manufacturers certify the aircraft.

 

[Aviador]

Embraer 190 manufacturers crosswind limits are: DRY 39kts, WET 33kts both Take off and landing. Ironically the B737-800W limits are DRY 33 WET 25 for take off and DRY 33 WET 33 for landing. Its how Manufacturers certify the aircraft.

Does the angle of the crosswind alter the limit or does a 1 degree crosswind have the same crosswind limit as a 10 degree crosswind limit? Surely there must be a difference?

 

[a300boy]

type crosswind chart into google and you will see the graph which shows after 50 degrees between the runway heading and the direction the wind is coming from all the strength of the wind is crosswind.
Below that the crosswind component is less and can be calculated using the graph.
When the wind is gusting its normal to use the mean wind speed plus half of the gusting wind.

 

[Finger66]

Sounds like a breeze to be able to work all that out!!!

 

[a300boy]

Just a wind up !!