Route Development & Rumours

[White Heather]

Any clues as to why your now less confident about the Tartan Army? Something changed? BA not playing?

As for Ryanair, that's all good if it happens. Message received (and understood) as to the potential new route!

 

[AviatorYorks]

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Sorry to be a killjoy but @Starflyer I’d suggest that this post is sailing very close to breaching terms and conditions with ACL in regards to commercial confidentiality and disclosure of information from the slot coordination system.

 

[lbaspotter]

Oh that makes sense now why Ryanair UK have an extra slot pair.

 

[Finger66]

@lbaspotter I think you continue to be evasive. I think too much has been said about tartan, and you are not just being a kilt joy lol. Commercial confidentiality rules here me feels

 

[Starflyer]

Sorry to be a killjoy but @Starflyer I’d suggest that this post is sailing very close to breaching terms and conditions with ACL in regards to commercial confidentiality and disclosure of information from the slot coordination system.

Concern noted. There is a [legal] difference between disclosing physical data and what's said here - I don't actually have data, but have seen a summary of route-by-route changes in frequency and seat count for a snapshot in Summer 2025 across several airports.

It's really no different to the widespread reports of Air New Zealand returning to London next year in that way (based on its slot applications) - and of course all of it, none of it or something completely different could happen depending on what each airline chooses to do.

As I understand it, the main issue of commercial confidentiality is any impact on competition. Far more detailed info will be available to every other airline including Jet2, easyJet and others through the slot system regardless of anything I've said, so their competitive response will be driven by the information they can access.

 

[KARFA]

There is a [legal] difference between disclosing physical data and what's said here

No there most certainly isn't. This is a public forum and a disclosure on here is not in some special category. I don't know exactly the basis and terms under which the information is available to you, but if the t&c state that information should be treated as confidential, you agreed to those terms, then any posting here on the basis of the confidential information you have (whether explicit or merely hinting) is a breach of that confidentiality.

 

[Aviador]

No there most certainly isn't. This is a public forum and a disclosure on here is not in some special category. I don't know exactly the basis and terms under which the information is available to you, but if the t&c state that information should be treated as confidential, you agreed to those terms, then any posting here on the basis of the confidential information you have (whether explicit or merely hinting) is a breach of that confidentiality.

Once in the public eye on the ACL publicly accessible part of the website it becomes public domain.

 

[KARFA]

Once in the public eye it becomes public knowledge and therefore I disagree with your view.

perhaps if already disclosed elsewhere and that disclosure is not in breach of confidentiality. also previous disclosure of one part of the information does not make further disclosure of other parts of the information allowable.

is any of this the case here?

EDIT: confidentiality is something of a specialty for me so i felt a need to comment. anyway, sorry, I don't wish to further divert the thread.

 

[lbaspotter]

It’s been a really good week for LBA sumner 2025 routes wise.

Easyjet
2x new summer routes launched with 2x weekly service to Malaga & 4x weekly service to Palma

Jet2
1x extra based aircraft making 15 in total & extra flights added to Palma, Reus, Kefalonia, Zante, Bourgas, Rome & Verona

Ryanair
Extra flights added to Gdansk, Krakow, Girona & Bratislava now back on sale

Can we have some more of this next week please Leeds/Bradford Airport?

 

[SierraHotel]

A new route from FR perhaps?

 

[Finger66]

Can we have some more of this next week please Leeds/Bradford Airport?

An announcement sponsored by Carlsberg (other lagers are available) for the best airport in the UK!!!

 

[Iron Duck]

Tartan army perhaps ? Or BA, now that there is a windfall of Heathrow slots because of the long haul constraints/cuts?

 

[LBA4EVER]

It’s been a really good week for LBA sumner 2025 routes wise.

Easyjet
2x new summer routes launched with 2x weekly service to Malaga & 4x weekly service to Palma

Jet2
1x extra based aircraft making 15 in total & extra flights added to Palma, Reus, Kefalonia, Zante, Bourgas, Rome & Verona

Ryanair
Extra flights added to Gdansk, Krakow, Girona & Bratislava now back on sale

Can we have some more of this next week please Leeds/Bradford Airport?

Its going to be a good 2025 im sure, with the regen program under way is this finally a turning point for LBA moving upto the next level!
Although we have growth from FR it would be great to see a 4th based aircraft at the airport with new destinations
Like mentioned in previous posts pax figures for wizz are very healthy esp since they moved their operation from a certain airport south east of LBA, so i do feel the airline could increase their presence at LBA, a decent sized east of england ops would work very well, decent aircraft too with the larger A321 ideal for LBA and more pax!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Its going to be a good 2025 im sure, with the regen program under way is this finally a turning point for LBA moving upto the next level!
Although we have growth from FR it would be great to see a 4th based aircraft at the airport with new destinations
Like mentioned in previous posts pax figures for wizz are very healthy esp since they moved their operation from a certain airport south east of LBA, so i do feel the airline could increase their presence at LBA, a decent sized east of england ops would work very well, decent aircraft too with the larger A321 ideal for LBA and more pax!

Basing more aircraft is prob not an option until the night quota issue is resolved in LBA's favour.

 

[Aviador]

Basing more aircraft is prob not an option until the night quota issue is resolved in LBA's favour.

As I keep repeating, some clever scheduling can reduce the number of night movements required. Aspro and Sunseaker Leisure used to operate their programmes in such a way just prior to night flights being introduced. Has anyone got a timetable to give everyone an idea of what I mean?

 

[LBAYORKIE]

As I keep repeating, some clever scheduling can reduce the number of night movements required. Aspro and Sunseaker Leisure used to operate their programmes in such a way just prior to night flights being introduced. Has anyone got a timetable to give everyone an idea of what I mean?

Are airlines really going to go to the trouble of working around the airports restrictions, especially if this means they are reducing aircraft utilisation?

 

[Aviador]

Are airlines really going to go to the trouble of working around the airports restrictions, especially if this means they are reducing aircraft utilisation?

It doesn't reduce aircraft utilisation.

 

[David_itl]

I expect it would be like this

2130 arrival into LBA
2215 departure to a destination 3 to 4 hours away
0215 arrival at that destination
0300 depart that destination
0600 arrival into LBA
0645 next departure from LBA

We're talking the like of Malta, Paphos, Hurghada, Tenerife, Antalya, Dalaman. Sort of do 2 shorter trips followed by that longer one

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I expect it would be like this

2130 arrival into LBA
2215 departure to a destination 3 to 4 hours away
0215 arrival at that destination
0300 depart that destination
0600 arrival into LBA
0645 next departure from LBA

We're talking the like of Malta, Paphos, Hurghada, Tenerife, Antalya, Dalaman. Sort of do 2 shorter trips followed by that longer one

Wouldnt the 06:00 arrival and 06:45 count towards the quota though?

 

[Aviador]

Wouldnt the 06:00 arrival and 06:45 count towards the quota though?

Thanks @David_itl @LBAYORKIE the example just given doesn't have to arrive before 07:00 it all depends on the destinations served.