Route Development & Rumours

[Sherburnflyer92]

Forget talking about leisure flights at night. That was pre 2003, Jet2 easyJet Ryanair come along and brought the dinosaurs that were Thomson, First Choice, My Travel etc into the 21st century with so much flexibility rather then set days. Most of those have not survived ....

More importantly:

What’s On The Horizon For: Leeds Bradford Airport | Aviation Week Network

Chief executive officer at Leeds Bradford Airport spoke to Routes about the infrastructure developments at the airport and the release of its Vision 2030 strategy.

aviationweek.com

Emirates has 787-8's coming. A321XLR could it be done? I'd rather a full service carrier serve us over Wizz Air.

 

[Aviador]

Its not a good passenger experience though turning up at the resort at 3/4am and returning passengers arriving at the airport at an awful time as well!
Public transport may be limited at those hours, out of hours car hire charges etc

My post was only suggesting a solution to having very few night slots (if any) available. You're right, it's not a great time to fly but if it would allow additional flights then why not.

 

[752]

Also times with flights leaving LBA 11pm and arriving say 7am will be flogged cheap offering airlines awful yield. Maybe work doing peak summer but cant see much need / use.

 

[Starflyer]

I absolutely don't disagree. For Leeds though it would be a way of utilising fewer night slots. Hopefully we won't require these kind of movements but it demonstrates you can operate more flights outside of the restrictive night hours if necessary.

You can - the key question is whether today's customer will actually buy flights at those times.

There's a price to everything, but there is no saving in fuel or other operating costs by flying at night - indeed some down-route airports levy surcharges for night flights now. There's also an active detriment to crew productivity as the Flight Time Limitation rules and fatigue risk management schemes make night flying so inefficient.

The only benefit is on aircraft utilisation. That's a smaller part of the overall picture than it used to be, given the increases in the cost of everything else combined with the deep discounts on fares you have to offer to make night flights attractive to the customer.

 

[Seasider]

All things being equal, the "night flights" problem will be sorted.

 

[Starflyer]

Despite the good progress on several fronts including Ryanair, Jet2 and easyJet of late, I have a nasty feeling about Wizz Air. The programme is now so small as to be inconsequential in their world, and I think they have another UK airport courting them heavily which would not be helpful to LBA's destiny. One to watch, for sure.

 

[752]

By the looks of things in the UK the only sizeable operations are LGW LTN & LPL. As it’s been quoted before, LBA is preforming better than DSA did. They have applied for increased slots for S25 so hopefully abit more from them would be great.

 

[Starflyer]

By the looks of things in the UK the only sizeable operations are LGW LTN & LPL. As it’s been quoted before, LBA is preforming better than DSA did. They have applied for increased slots for S25 so hopefully abit more from them would be great.

I'd like to think I'm wrong, but have a feeling that a sizeable operation at MAN in place of LPL and LBA might materialise.

 

[White Heather]

I'd like to think I'm wrong, but have a feeling that a sizeable operation at MAN in place of LPL and LBA might materialise.

If they do that, they'll give up a sizeable market in this area where there are loads of Polish and Romanian residents. Ryanair already compete on several routes and I'm sure they'll just pick up what Wizz leave behind.

 

[Iron Duck]

Could Wizzair even get the slots at Man is the question .

 

[Starflyer]

Could Wizzair even get the slots at Man is the question .

Based aircraft slots will be difficult but not impossible for first wave departures, with terminal capacity likely to be more of a constraint than the runway. But if they are flying from away bases into the UK and turning round, they'd be pretty much fine.

 

[Aviador]

If they do that, they'll give up a sizeable market in this area where there are loads of Polish and Romanian residents. Ryanair already compete on several routes and I'm sure they'll just pick up what Wizz leave behind.

Ah but will they? Ryanair have a tendency to follow the competition so they're more likely to move the same routes to Manchester, or increase the Manchester offering. The LBA lurgy strikes again.

 

[White Heather]

Ah but will they? Ryanair have a tendency to follow the competition so they're more likely to move the same routes to Manchester, or increase the Manchester offering. The LBA lurgy strikes again.

That isn't how I see it, and after today, it's not how LBA see it either.

 

[Aviador]

This rumour thread is supposed to be positive rumours about new routes for LBA not routes leaving LBA. Well on that delightful rumour I think I'll just go watch the TV.

That isn't how I see it, and after today, it's not how LBA see it either.

I hope so too.

 

[ChrisBBB]

That isn't how I see it, and after today, it's not how LBA see it either.

Sorry if i’m being dumb, but what is the reference to today, have I missed something?

 

[LBA4EVER]

Sorry if i’m being dumb, but what is the reference to today, have I missed something?

Wizz are delighted with their pax loads out of LBA, this has been mentioned at todays LBA committee meeting and is in WH report, i thank wh for her updates.

 

[ChrisBBB]

Wizz are delighted with their pax loads out of LBA, this has been mentioned at todays LBA committee meeting and is in WH report, i thank wh for her updates.

Thanks for the nudge, I’d missed that!

 

[Finger66]

Raft of new routes f/t NCL announced in the last couple of weeks:
A3 ATH
EW BER
DY CPH
Clearly our new infrastructure can't come soon enough to hopefully increase our chances of something similar, if not even better

 

[lbaspotter]

I just seen an article online that says PIA maybe interested in serving Bradford again!
Then just on Friday saw on LinkedIn that they have being in discussions with Glasgow as well

So in theory they could serve both markets using Boeing 777.
Ok I know what you’re going to say next, Not off our short runway!

But here’s how it could be easily done.

Islamabad-Leeds
Leeds-Glasgow
Glasgow-Islamabad

I’ll say no more…

 

[oldendays]

PIA might even grasp that our airport is called 'Leeds Bradford', not 'Bredford'.