Leeds Bradford: New Route Development & Rumours

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Fernley said:
Half expected Loganair to pick up SOU as a replacement for BI, however this hasn’t materialised. I do wonder if they are fully committed at SOU as nothing new has been added since they opened their base at the start of this year. A summer seasonal SOU-LBA would probably do well during the busy cruise season!
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I recently made this hypothetical timetable for a two aircraft base at LBA taking in all the schedule slack on UK domestic routes and some winter destinations for when the summer slacks off.

ArrDepDestinationOperating DaysValidityAircraft Type
—07:10Bristol (BRS)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—07:20Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
09:20—Bristol (BRS)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
09:50—Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—09:50Southampton (SOU)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—09:50Newquay (NQY)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Apr - 31 OctATR 72-600
—10:30Dublin (DUB)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
12:40—Southampton (SOU)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
13:00—Dublin (DUB)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
13:10—Newquay (NQY)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Apr - 31 OctATR 72-600
—14:00Isle of Man (IOM)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—14:00Rotterdam (RTM)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—15:00Glasgow (GLA)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—15:30Dublin (DUB)-- -- -- -- -- -- Su01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
16:00—Isle of Man (IOM)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
16:15—Rotterdam (RTM)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Cork (ORK)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Jersey (JER)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Southampton (SOU)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
17:40—Glasgow (GLA)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
17:45—Cork (ORK)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
17:45—Jersey (JER)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—17:30Isle of Man (IOM)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
18:00—Dublin (DUB)-- -- -- -- -- -- Su01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—18:15Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—18:45Edinburgh (EDI)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
19:30—Isle of Man (IOM)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
19:30—Southampton (SOU)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
—19:30Isle of Man (IOM)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
20:45—Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
21:15—Edinburgh (EDI)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
21:30—Isle of Man (IOM)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600

Remembering the ATR is cheap as chips to operate and it has a similar crosswind component limit to the B737M according to Google.
 
Bigman said:
Re our domestic rail services. Edinburgh, Bristol and Plymouth are hourly. 2 a day to Glasgow and only 1 a day to Aberdeen. The big problem is that all are operated by Cross Country whose crappy overcrowded Yovager units that turn up are 4 car units most of the time.
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Recently traveled to Exeter on them, luckily I was in 1st, but the rest of the train was rammed. Its really awful how they treat passengers, and they are often expensive.
 
Looking at the list White Heather listed, together with the additions of other members, there are plenty of destinations that could be picked up by Ryanair if they were to base an extra aircraft. Madrid, Brussels(Charleroi), Valencia, Oslo(Sandefjord), Shannon, Knock, Milan, Venice and Murcia could all be an easy fit for them.
Brussels would definitely help me for work as I have a number of scheduled meetings there, and Oslo for an easy route to visit relatives back home….come on Ryanair🍀
 
Aviador said:
I recently made this hypothetical timetable for a two aircraft base at LBA taking in all the schedule slack on UK domestic routes and some winter destinations for when the summer slacks off.

ArrDepDestinationOperating DaysValidityAircraft Type
—07:10Bristol (BRS)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—07:20Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
09:20—Bristol (BRS)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
09:50—Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—09:50Southampton (SOU)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—09:50Newquay (NQY)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Apr - 31 OctATR 72-600
—10:30Dublin (DUB)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
12:40—Southampton (SOU)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
13:00—Dublin (DUB)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
13:10—Newquay (NQY)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --01 Apr - 31 OctATR 72-600
—14:00Isle of Man (IOM)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—14:00Rotterdam (RTM)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—15:00Glasgow (GLA)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—15:30Dublin (DUB)-- -- -- -- -- -- Su01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
16:00—Isle of Man (IOM)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
16:15—Rotterdam (RTM)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Cork (ORK)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Jersey (JER)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—16:30Southampton (SOU)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
17:40—Glasgow (GLA)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
17:45—Cork (ORK)-- Tu -- Th -- -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
17:45—Jersey (JER)Mo -- We -- Fr -- --01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—17:30Isle of Man (IOM)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
18:00—Dublin (DUB)-- -- -- -- -- -- Su01 Nov - 31 MarATR 72-600
—18:15Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
—18:45Edinburgh (EDI)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
19:30—Isle of Man (IOM)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
19:30—Southampton (SOU)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
—19:30Isle of Man (IOM)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
20:45—Edinburgh (EDI)Mo Tu We Th Fr -- --Full YearATR 72-600
21:15—Edinburgh (EDI)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600
21:30—Isle of Man (IOM)-- -- -- -- -- -- SuFull YearATR 72-600

Remembering the ATR is cheap as chips to operate and it has a similar crosswind component limit to the B737M according to Google.
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Well thought out plan that is.

But Sadly i doubt we will ever see Edinburgh, Glasgow or Bristol return. The just isn’t the UK regional airline to do it anymore especially as it seems Loganair are not interested
 
lbaspotter said:
Well thought out plan that is.

But Sadly i doubt we will ever see Edinburgh, Glasgow or Bristol return. The just isn’t the UK regional airline to do it anymore especially as it seems Loganair are not interested
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Yes just one minor detail - the airline to do it.

HX3 said:
Looking at the list White Heather listed, together with the additions of other members, there are plenty of destinations that could be picked up by Ryanair if they were to base an extra aircraft. Madrid, Brussels(Charleroi), Valencia, Oslo(Sandefjord), Shannon, Knock, Milan, Venice and Murcia could all be an easy fit for them.
Brussels would definitely help me for work as I have a number of scheduled meetings there, and Oslo for an easy route to visit relatives back home….come on Ryanair🍀
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Many of those destinations wont necessarily have been dropped because they weren't making any money, some will have been dropped just because more money could be made on other more lucrative routes.
 
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However unpleasant the train is, Leeds is well connected by train and to many destinations that is a far faster way to get around given flight check-in requirements. On the whole, the train is also cheaper: Loganair air fares, for example, seem to be set for business rather than leisure passengers.
 
Pudseylad said:
I think it was Thomson's and their trusty BY737's - back in the day when they seemed to actually like LBA 😂
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I seem to recall Dan Air 1-11s doing it briefly, possibly for Intasun, but Italy seemed to go out of fashion for beach holidays after some bad publicity about regimented beaches and rip off sunbeds.

Seasider said:
There also was Olbia (Sardinia) which was operated a couple of seasons with an EDI based aircraft (I believe).
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Yes, now added to the list. It was supposed to make a comeback until Covid put a spanner in the works. Jet2 still do it, but as usual, its from over the hill.
 
gulftraveller said:
However unpleasant the train is, Leeds is well connected by train and to many destinations that is a far faster way to get around given flight check-in requirements. On the whole, the train is also cheaper: Loganair air fares, for example, seem to be set for business rather than leisure passengers.
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Southampton by rail, you are looking at over 4 hours and a painful cross London transfer via the Tube from King's Cross to Waterloo. The flight from LBA would be just 70 minutes direct.

An ATR 72 only needs to find 72 people a few times a day who value their time, their sanity, and a direct point-to-point connection over a stressful day on the UK rail network.
 
When Blue Islands announced 2x daily Southampton from Leeds I remember seeing a post on LinkedIn that Jonathan Hinkles was involved in getting them to come to LBA before they went sadly bust,

Which makes me wonder why did he never try whilst at Loganair, what did he see different with the Blue islands attempt?
 
lbaspotter said:
When Blue Islands announced 2x daily Southampton from Leeds I remember seeing a post on LinkedIn that Jonathan Hinkles was involved in getting them to come to LBA before they went sadly bust,

Which makes me wonder why did he never try whilst at Loganair, what did he see different with the Blue islands attempt?
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Someone else's money?
Aircraft availability?
Aircraft location?
 
lbaspotter said:
When Blue Islands announced 2x daily Southampton from Leeds I remember seeing a post on LinkedIn that Jonathan Hinkles was involved in getting them to come to LBA before they went sadly bust,

Which makes me wonder why did he never try whilst at Loganair, what did he see different with the Blue islands attempt?
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Jonathan Hinkles knew the LBA–SOU market demand was there, but an airline can only fly a route if the operational puzzle blocks fit. For Loganair, Leeds to Southampton was an isolated, orphan route with no local base support. For Blue Islands, it was a golden opportunity to make use of spare daytime capacity on an aircraft already based at the southern end of the route.

If you look at Flybe, there's no doubt that if you isolated their route performance airport by airport, you’d find plenty of highly profitable gems. The failure wasn't the market demand, it was over expansion and poor management skills that likely killed the business.
 
Birmingham Aviation said:
Remember before Covid there were direct trains to Southampton via new street without no change
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I hated that train. I regularly used the early Leeds to Birmingham train for meetings at Five Ways. I always booked a seat and paid for it but more often than not, I got on to find someone sat in my seat and the overhead 'seat reserved' signs out of order, no doubt accidentally on purpose. The on board guards could be relied upon to do nothing whilst the occupant of my seat refused to move. Hardly surprising as if they did, they would end up on the floor or standing. So I too ended up frequently standing as far as Sheffield or even Derby. Coming back it could be the entire 2 hour journey. The service was a joke. Meanwhile my colleagues further North got to fly down and get a taxi from BHX!
 
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