Pakistan International Airlines

[mullion]

I think you are dreaming there, if it isn`t Heathow forget it

 

[JENNYJET]

I have to agree with Mr. Mullion even if it riles me. British Airways have, since privatisation, ceased to operate in the best interests of the nation that is emblazoned upon their aircraft. People sarcastically say London Airways and I am coming round to that view.


however, BHX is ideally located to be the hub for South Asian carriers given the population density of the diaspora and BA could clean up if they had the guts to try given the suspect foundations of the local carriers. Dozens of idle aircraft available and crews to go, what else do they need other than regulatory approvals?

and yes, I am BA fan, always have been.

 

[rollo]

The chance of BA operating these routes would be zero or less.

Cloud Cukoo land I reckon.

 

[Brum X]

PIA to use Pegasus not Turkish, not sure where this leaves BHX ?
https://www.brecorder.com/news/amp/40012325

Sorry but I am confused, the article says a service to MAN yesterday was operated by Hifly. So is this just a temporary arrangement for a couple of weeks until the Pegasus agreement comes into operation ?

 

[David_itl]

I simply do not understand the logic of PIA codesharing with Pegasus. The following is all based on Manchester but the logic will be for Birmingham as well


The linked articles states 265 passengers out of MAN on the 1st service broken down to 26 "executive economy" and 229 bog standard economy,

The A320s seat 186 passengers in normal economy which already means 80 passengers not available to be carried. Add in passengers flying to Istanbul and/or other Pegasus destinations then you can deduct around 130 to 140 passengers from the max seating which leaves a princely total of around 45 to 50 seats for Pakistan bound passengers. Therefore Pegasus would have to fly 5 weekly just to maintain the number of passengers it gets on a single service so they'd need to be double daily to try to reflect better the demand unless they only want to restrict passenger numbers by government decree?!

By far a better solution would be trying to get to some arrangement with Qatar whose lease rates may be a lower than Hi-Fly and look ar using 2 787s /A350s and operate 4 or 5 times weekly to BHX, MAN and LHR?

 

[JENNYJET]

Of all the available unused aircraft sitting in storage and suitable aircrew wanting work with genuine licences, why piddle around with Pegasus or anyone else? Getting PIA back to international standards is better than scratching about filling gaps in a troubled network and if the States of Pakistan and India could get along better then there might need be no problems in fulfilling schedules. I believe friendly nations help each other when encountering difficulties!

 

[Ray Finkle]

I think we need British Airways to start Lahore, Karachi flights from Birmingham UK demand is high.

A few years ago I had the opportunity to speak to someone fairly high up in PIA and asked about more destinations from BHX, his reply was that the majority of the demand from the Greater Birmingham region is to ISB. He did say that there is a market for other destinations in Pakistan but it was significantly lower than ISB . That was a few years ago though so it may have changed since.

Sorry but I am confused, the article says a service to MAN yesterday was operated by Hifly. So is this just a temporary arrangement for a couple of weeks until the Pegasus agreement comes into operation ?

HiFly looks to be a temporary solution with just 6 (I think it is?) flights to the UK.

If this tie up with Pegasus goes ahead it seems as if they will be regular services through to Pakistan via SAW, I'd imagine until PIA regain permissions to fly into the UK again.

 

[HPsauce]

I seem to recall PIA having a weekly service to Peshawar some years ago now. Rather short-lived i believe. It was in the A310 days.

 

[JENNYJET]

I recall that one, was it an extension to Karachi? I used to watch their B743 glide over Brownhills towards BHX and a magnificent sight it was. Those were my working years and I later caught sight of it on the ground with a Monarch DC10 waiting for a gate to become available. They were good days at BHX!

 

[Brum X]

A few years ago I had the opportunity to speak to someone fairly high up in PIA and asked about more destinations from BHX, his reply was that the majority of the demand from the Greater Birmingham region is to ISB. He did say that there is a market for other destinations in Pakistan but it was significantly lower than ISB . That was a few years ago though so it may have changed since.



HiFly looks to be a temporary solution with just 6 (I think it is?) flights to the UK.

If this tie up with Pegasus goes ahead it seems as if they will be regular services through to Pakistan via SAW, I'd imagine until PIA regain permissions to fly into the UK again.

Thank you

 

[Brum X]

So what's going on with PIA at BHX, dried fruit forum is reporting the HIFLY Flights have been cancelled ?

 

[IanFarquharson]

Correct - PIA canx as are Air India

 

[Brum X]

Correct - PIA canx as are Air India

PIA cancelled full stop or just the HiFLY flights cancelled ? What's happened to Pegasus taking over ?

I am aware of Air India as per the Air India page.,

 

[Ray Finkle]

PIA cancelled full stop or just the HiFLY flights cancelled ?

The HiFly flight (we were only due one) is canx.

What's happened to Pegasus taking over ?

This seemed to be one of the stumbling blocks.

Presently, there were slot hiccups at Sabiha Gokcen International Airport, Istanbul, sources said and added that the issue would be resolved shortly through diplomatic channel.

 

[IanFarquharson]

The market to Pakistan is massive so I am sure if not Pakistan in the short term someone else will fill the void.

Pakistan are banned from Europe till early 2021 so wont be seen in the UK at all in 2020.

Hopefully Pegasus will come good or another operator will step in.

 

[Brum X]

The HiFly flight (we were only due one) is canx.



This seemed to be one of the stumbling blocks.

Presently, there were slot hiccups at Sabiha Gokcen International Airport, Istanbul, sources said and added that the issue would be resolved shortly through diplomatic channel.

Thanks Ray for explaining that to me, appreciate it

 

[route66]

The market to Pakistan is massive so I am sure if not Pakistan in the short term someone else will fill the void.

Pakistan are banned from Europe till early 2021 so wont be seen in the UK at all in 2020.

Hopefully Pegasus will come good or another operator will step in.

Virgin are stepping in at LHR and MAN apparently.

 

[KJAY 786]

Birmingham needs immediate flights with Richard Brandson aswell, Virgin Atlantic would do well.

PIA should look now I will write to them we need Lahore, Karachi and Peshwar from Birmingham DIRECT flights.

TRUE VIRGIN TO PAKISTAN. from Heathrow and Manchester. https://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/1...m5ehJ0UDGzNv19VTTByCJHy4yWadShHeG6Pg8KdKVoils

 

[route66]

Birmingham needs immediate flights with Richard Brandson aswell, Virgin Atlantic would do well.

PIA should look now I will write to them we need Lahore, Karachi and Peshwar from Birmingham DIRECT flights.

TRUE VIRGIN TO PAKISTAN. from Heathrow and Manchester. https://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/1...m5ehJ0UDGzNv19VTTByCJHy4yWadShHeG6Pg8KdKVoils

Virgin will not fly from BHX, they will expect Midlanders to travel south or north for a flight and they will.

 

[KJAY 786]

Richard Brandson Virgin Atlantic are going to do BIG Competition to Crash PIA out of market in Manchester and Heathrow and Compete with BA in Heathrow it time BA comes back to Birmingham and PIA Expand in Birmingham - vast majority non Islamabad passengers live in midlands/ east midlands and surrounding areas towards Stoke on Trent / Cardiff / Bristol, Warwick and Coventry inc Worcester largest Punjabi Community for Lahore and Faislabad. Stratfford Road Sparkhill and Moseley is Karachi and Peshwar Community - Islamabad is vast Mirpuri Community. We can full load factors from pakistan trafffic now PIA serve Birmingham UK well Birmingham International Airport needs you to stay expand and recognise hugh demand and needs aswell as passenger needs thank you PIA Pakistan Zindabad. PIA we love you Birmingham needs you now ever more than before.

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Another Airline Birmingham needs immediate is MEA, Eygpt Air, Saudia and Gulf Air demand is high we need to save Birmingham Airport and expand its route network today thank you Birmingham International Airport Love You