Route Development & Rumours

[LBA4EVER]

Well that went well didnt it for IPS! I think chimps could of done a better job of launching the service than ips!
A CAA license to be able to fly into the uk in my books would be the first thing on the list, this would tie in with the type of aircraft to be used as well.
I guess the bad headlines that have come out of this still proves there is a big market for such a service from LBA and one the airport should still work on achieving. LBA can support a route like this more so than say NCL or BRS. Im still hopeful.

 

[lbaspotter]

No disrespect to Sean M on Twitter but he has only stated what we already knew so no credits required.

Well read my earlier posts on here this morning 10:15am. I said all flights were no longer bookable on the IPS Airways site.

All off a sudden it appeared on Twitter by SeanM & SPD travels.

All I'll say is, where should credit be due!

 

[Aviador]

Well I posted on here at 10:15am that all flights were no longer bookable on the IPS Airways site. All of a sudden it appeared on Twitter by SeanM & SPD travels.

I'll say more where credit should be due!

Exactly!

 

[lbaspotter]

Sadly It just proves we have people looking on our forum for information

I absolutely hate it & had enough of it.

This post has been edited by myself.

 

[CM.]

Sadly It just proves we have people looking on our forum for information that sells articles/ stories for money.

I absolutely hate it & had enough of it.

Both myself @Aviador & @White Heather would agree we've gone above & beyond

We know you all do and I appreciate the info you provide on here. I’m assuming most other users will agree.

 

[Rob c DSA]

If everyone goes back a good few weeks didn't one very well regarded and informed poster warn where this looked like it was heading?

 

[Seasider]

I have been following the "airline scene" since my first visit to MAN in 1965 (yes, you can work out how old I am) and seen airlines come and go. I do not comment on possible new airlines until I am convinced that they are "feasible" and capable of running a satisfactory service. That's why I haven't posted on this thread, read it with great interest so thank you to all contributors.
There are times when a new airline is born and goes from strength to strength and the one I am thinking of, celebrates 20 years of service next year.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Jordan did approach Swissport when they were trying to locate flights from MAN, but with no Cargo facilities at LBA and a 220 tonnes take off wait, DSA made more sense all round.

If DSA is to close, andceith no IPS maybe Jordan will reconsider using LBA.

 

[gulftraveller]

DSA is temporary until the flights return to MAN. PIA, for whom Jordan are operating, currently have no plans to return to LBA. If they do introduce another UK route, it is likely to be GLA with a route to Faisalabad.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

DSA is temporary until the flights return to MAN. PIA, for whom Jordan are operating, currently have no plans to return to LBA. If they do introduce another UK route, it is likely to be GLA with a route to Faisalabad.

Im not sure when MAN can accept Jordan back, I was thinking if its after DSA closes they will have to look elsewhere. What makes u think PIA arent interested in LBA?

 

[Finger66]

Do we still need to establish who this airline is that has approached LBA re A320/321 Pakistan Ops that I think it was LBAspotter alluded to?

 

[gulftraveller]

Im not sure when MAN can accept Jordan back, I was thinking if its after DSA closes they will have to look elsewhere. What makes u think PIA arent interested in LBA?

A few months ago the PIA CEO gave an interview in which he spoke of consolidating services in Europe. Oslo and Copenhagen, Barcelona and Milan were to be merged. Since then, here in the Gulf, there has been much discussion of PIA’s plans. Glasgow would still be a surprise, but there has never been mention of LBA. Their interest seems to be to get Manchester slots back and then getting clearance to fly their own metal to UK. Ideas change, but I think another airline such as Serene might be the answer for LBA.

 

[LBA4EVER]

PIA use the B777s, take off weight will be heavy if any cargo was involved and of course your typical PIA pax likes to carry as much on board as pos, so i think you will find the LBA runway is the issue and of course our 1960s terminal unless the flights operated at less busy times. The A330s are ideal been just not quite as big as the tripple sevens and generally have good runway performance.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

PIA use the B777s, take off weight will be heavy if any cargo was involved and of course your typical PIA pax likes to carry as much on board as pos, so i think you will find the LBA runway is the issue, and yes our 1960s terminal! The A330s are ideal been just not quite as big as the tripple sevens and generally have good runway performance.

If I remember correctly a previous post suggested they (PIA) were looking for A330s. I was just picking up on that. Also they previously announced they would be operating 777s from LBA so there must have been belief it was possible.

 

[LBA4EVER]

If I remember correctly a previous post suggested they (PIA) were looking for A330s. I was just picking up on that. Also they previously announced they would be operating 777s from LBA so there must have been belief it was possible.

I guess the B777 200s would be ok as long as not fully loaded, but like i previously mentioned the weight restrictions would be an issue for eg when pax check in the weight limit on cases etc i suspect could cause probs.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I guess the B777 200s would be ok as long as not fully loaded, but like i previously mentioned the weight restrictions would be an issue for eg when pax check in the weight limit on cases etc i suspect could cause probs.

I think whats coming through is that operations from Leeds with a 777 or A330 would be subject to weight restrictions that the airlines may not find acceptable. The fact that LBA cant handle cargo would mean loads would be lighter- albeit the airline wouldnt have any cargo revenue.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Do we still need to establish who this airline is that has approached LBA re A320/321 Pakistan Ops that I think it was LBAspotter alluded to?

Would be handy to know, but given the quantities of bulky baggage travellers check in for this destination I think an a 320/321 would not have sufficient capacity. Not sure what weight limit is per passenger, but IPS were offering 45 kilos.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Also if you have premium 1st class/buisness seating on board this increases profit and lightens the load when it comes to aircraft weight, also profit from cargo can be offset to some degree.
The serena air A330s have economy and 1st class i believe so there the ideal aircraft, if IPS are full economy with a 45kilo allowance on luggage surely their on the limit of LBA max takeoff weight, again have IPS thought of this?

 

[White Heather]

Also if you have premium 1st class/buisness seating on board this increases profit and lightens the load when it comes to aircraft weight, also profit from cargo can be offset to some degree.
The serena air A330s have economy and 1st class i believe so there the ideal aircraft, if IPS are full economy with a 45kilo allowance on luggage surely their on the limit of LBA max takeoff weight, again have IPS thought of this?

IPS were selling Business Class tickets so we're clearly going to use an aircraft with both Business Class and Economy.

LBA have repeatedly said that both the A330 200 and 777 200 can operate at LBA to ISB. The 300 series of either type can't .

The flight doesn't require a full fuel load and doesn't require a fuel stop. PIA only had 300 series available which probably explains why their 777 flights never happened.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

IPS were selling Business Class tickets so we're clearly going to use an aircraft with both Business Class and Economy.

LBA have repeatedly said that both the A330 200 and 777 200 can operate at LBA to ISB. The 300 series of either type can't .

The flight doesn't require a full fuel load and doesn't require a fuel stop. PIA only had 300 series available which probably explains why their 777 flights never happened.

LBA may have said that but did they say with an economic load in all weather conditions? The airport can handle an A330/777 now but the airlines have to decide if there are limitations and if so whether they can work with them or if its just easier to use an airport with a longer runway that doesnt involve any uncertainty.

Of course one alternative would be a tech stop en-route. Not ideal but could be the answer to maximising payload.
Doesn't address the issue of no cargo facilities though.