Route Development & Rumours

[Jerry]

Poor DSA hahaha

UK's flybe to terminate Doncaster ops from 4Q19

flybe. (2002) (Exeter) will completely exit the Doncaster/Sheffield market at the end of October citing a lack of demand at the northern English airport....

www.ch-aviation.com

Surely as a Yorkshire resident you should want all airports in Yorkshire to do well?

 

[Rob c DSA]

Poor DSA hahaha

UK's flybe to terminate Doncaster ops from 4Q19

flybe. (2002) (Exeter) will completely exit the Doncaster/Sheffield market at the end of October citing a lack of demand at the northern English airport....

www.ch-aviation.com

So a matter of hours after TCX fail along with what looks like the demise of both Adria and XL Airways you take delight that an airport down the road loses routes and people lose jobs when LBA has also lost out, very intelligent that.

It has already been mentioned on a DSA thread the reason Flybe binned the last two routes, and it had nothing to do with the airport or passengers. Flybe were flying at poor times meaning the routes would not pick up the traffic it had been previously the routes had seen a big increase in passengers this year to last. Poor taste all round

 

[Silvercity]

So a matter of hours after TCX fail along with what looks like the demise of both Adria and XL Airways you take delight that an airport down the road loses routes and people lose jobs when LBA has also lost out, very intelligent that.

It has already been mentioned on a DSA thread the reason Flybe binned the last two routes, and it had nothing to do with the airport or passengers. Flybe were flying at poor times meaning the routes would not pick up the traffic it had been previously the routes had seen a big increase in passengers this year to last. Poor taste all round

Here Here.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I agree we should support all Yorkshire airports. I draw the line when Leeds loses out to Doncaster but I see no reason why we cant co-exist.
Same as those football fans who seem to despise other local sides, whats the point, as long as a Yorkshire team wins.

 

[Aviador]

Without taking sides in this debate I do think perhaps it's time for a change of strategy for LBA and DSA.

We have DSA which keeps promoting itself as an airport for Leeds. LBA on the other hand punches well below it's weight compared to where it should be.

I often make comparisons between Scotland and Yorkshire as both regions have similar sized catchment areas. The Scottish airports handling in excess of 25 million passengers annually, whereas airports in our region jointly struggle to reach 6 million per annum.

Maybe it's time both airports had a concerted effort in trying to retain Yorkshire passengers who are currently leaking to airports outside the Yorkshire region.

Manchester airport assumes this position as the airport for Yorkshire as our airports seem incapable of delivering the aviation needs of our region. Is it right for us to settle for this knowing it means millions of extra car journeys across the Pennines and millions of pounds of investment being focused on the North West region instead of our own region.

Yorkshire airports need to get their act together, the alternative is Yorkshire will have to accept that Manchester airport is the airport for the Yorkshire region.

 

[Silvercity]

Without taking sides in this debate I do think perhaps it's time for a change of strategy for LBA and DSA.

We have DSA which keeps promoting itself as an airport for Leeds. LBA on the other hand punches well below it's weight compared to where it should be.

I often make comparisons between Scotland and Yorkshire as both regions have similar sized catchment areas. The Scottish airports handling in excess of 25 million passengers annually, whereas airport in our region struggle to reach 6 million per annum.

Maybe it's time both airports had a concerted effort in trying to retain Yorkshire passengers who are currently leaking to airports outside the Yorkshire region.

Manchester airport assumes this position as the airport for Yorkshire as our airports seem incapable of delivering the aviation needs of our region. Is it right for us to settle for this knowing it means millions of extra car journeys across the Pennines and millions of pounds of investment being focused on the North West region instead of our own region.

Yorkshire airports need to get their act together, the alternative is Yorkshire will have to accept that Manchester airport is the airport for the Yorkshire region.

Just one note...not all the Northwest gets an equal share of investment

 

[Bigman]

I often hear it said that when people talk about ‘Manchester gets everything’, this is not just at the expense of East of the Pennines, but a great many communities over in the North West as well. Just ask the good folk of Bury and Bolton where all the sport money ends up!!

 

[Rob c DSA]

Didn’t mean to offend you which I obviously have. Sorry.

You haven't offended me just bad taste. The TCX demise will affect more than the TCX staff and DSA will lose staff due to the departure of Flybe. I don't really see the big deal in regards to DSA V LBA they are on a different scale size wise DSA picking up a coupe of routes or a couple of hundred thousand passengers isn't going to affect LBA.

 

[armadillomaster]

Doncaster is just a better airport to be honest. I'm an LBA fan, but to fly from DSA was fantastic.

The premium lounge was top notch, it was well set out, plenty of bar space and food. And not over crowded.

 

[mdobuk21]

DSA is a nice airport but they hardly have any flights in or out, summer is a little busier but winter is really quiet so it’s obviously mot going to be overcrowded. Im purely just a spotter/photographer so for me i hope DSA becomes a northern cargo hub and LBA starts to see some growth with a little bit of variation!

 

[michael]

I think we all have to step back for a moment and appreciate just how big 'Yorkshire' is and how many options it gives the general public for travelling. Whether we're LBA fans, DSA fans or, dare I say it, MAN fans there are so many parameters to consider. For example if you live in Pickering you're much more likely to consider Newcastle as your local airport than either LBA or DSA. You certainly wouldn't consider MAN as your local airport. However if you live in Rotherham or Barnsley you're just as likely to consider EMA as your local airport as you are LBA or MAN, not forgetting that DSA is just around the corner. I live in the Dales and consider both LBA and MAN as my local airports whereas I don't consider DSA or NCL.
In the end you fly from whichever airport gives you the easiest options on price and availability for where you want to fly to. It's no point at all cursing your local airport just because where you want to fly to isn't served from there. Most popular destinations are served from most airports and while there is room for improvement at all airports with regards to destinations served, security, road access etc the facts are what they are and we all have to appreciate that things will not change overnight. MAN is what it is - a big beast - and in the case of LBA until circumstances such as terminals, access etc are improved (and the 'B' word is sorted) to nothing is going to change in a hurry.

 

[ex_crew]

Barnsley-EMA as the local airport , really ???

 

[Jerry]

Barnsley-EMA as the local airport , really ???

62 miles roughly so yes it could be considered in EMAs catchment

 

[michael]

Barnsley-EMA as the local airport , really ???

As I said I consider Manchester one of my local airports and that's 75 miles from my home. LBA, my closet airport, is 30 miles from home

 

[airforced]

Poor DSA hahaha

UK's flybe to terminate Doncaster ops from 4Q19

flybe. (2002) (Exeter) will completely exit the Doncaster/Sheffield market at the end of October citing a lack of demand at the northern English airport....

www.ch-aviation.com

Not the most diplomatic of posts as others have already pointed out.

However, I normally fly from LBA but that doesn't stop me from looking at other airports and their offerings. Whenever I have looked at flights from DSA with Flybe I have always found them to be rather expensive when compared with what Jet2 and Ryan were offering from LBA. From memory the Flybe flight times didn't compare favourably either.

Has this had anything to do with their exit I wonder?

 

[Seasider]

Apparently, according to the "locals", the timings of the flights were not as beneficial as a based aircraft so bookings dropped off.

 

[Rob c DSA]

Basically it was a stitch up to say use them or lose them even if the times were poor, people didn't book and Flybe fly in to the sunset.

 

[Heathrowflyer]

Where are the main business destinations for The Leeds region? And who would best serve it? Also, why did BA decrease their rotations...I"ve never understood that apart from the fact that they wanted the valuable landing slots elsewhere.

 

[Finger66]

That's a slightly difficult one to answer specifically for Leeds because we have clients all over the country using all UK airports. But you only have to look at the general trends and requests to know how LHR, AMS, CDG, FRA, BRU are used for connections as well as point to point with early departure requests to maximise the day. As regards point to point then AMS is a biggy from LBA. 17 years of 2 operators on the route and 1 x KL rotation going to a 737-700 shows that. BA would see a huge increase in both point to point and connecting traffic with an LBA night stopper coupled with a teatime rotation to appeal to the returning business passengers. LHR only needs 3 a day loosely at 0630, 1000 and 1830 southbound with 0830, 1630 and 2000 northbound to provide the ideal but it doesn't currently look like BA are that interested. DUB is another that is growing nicely for EI due to the increased transatlantic connex there and with ok frequency between FR and EI the point to point does ok. EI aren't increasing LBA flights for no reason. BHD does well for the business community because the 4/5 a day weekday frequency appeals and gives choices/flexibility. Domestically as I have said before we are too central for the likes ofGLA and EDI to work now, but longer and more awkward sectors to ABZ, EXT and CWL should also do well with reliability and reasonable frequency. The problem there is it really needs aircraft of no more than 30 seats to supply that frequency. T3 are the only real candidate and their J41s are dropping like flies due to age so there isn't really anyone else that could step in. Once we have a new terminal then the appeal to European and other carriers should increase. But if this terminal doesn't happen through any short sightedness of LCC then they are running the risk of major economic loss to the Yorkshire region. We have to stop leakage elsewhere.

 

[Bigman]

We will never get the likes of Edinburgh back. Thanks to Transpennine, we now have 2 trains an hour to Edinburgh which do it in a little over 3 hours. The current hourly departure times of xx:51 and xx:08 are however not ideal. The new TPE Novas are very smart and reasonably comfortable. Quick connections at Waverley for a whole host of trains to Glasgow Central or Queen Street, and also Aberdeen.