Sorry Aviador I cannot agree re cargo it is very important and Saudi Arabia is a very difficult market
If so, why are airlines such as Saudia buying loads of A321s, with the specific intention of starting more routes to places previously unserved, when the A321 doesn't lend itself to carrying any significant cargo?

And, why would LBA management spend so much time chasing an operator to that area when they have no cargo facilities, nor any intention of acquiring any. They clearly don't see the lack of cargo as an issue.
 
JED would cover religious pilgrimages, future tourism along the Red Sea, as well as the obvious connections they provide. I personally don’t think it’s a question as to whether the airport can support it, and more if Saudia wants to make the first move into LBA
 
Cough cough FlyaDeal cough cough

Low cost airline FlyaDeal is a good shout if I’m been honest! It operates out of its main hubs at Jeddah & Riyadh. They are fully owned by Saudi and have a full codeshare with their owners plus this year saw them starting flights to Pakistan.

FlyaDeal currently operates a fleet of 11x A320 & 30x A320Neo with a further 15x on order along with 39x A321Neos which are due to start deliveries next year. They also have 10x A330-900’s on order for long-haul ambitions.
 
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Low cost airline FlyaDeal is a good shout if I’m been honest! It operates out of its main hubs at Jeddah & Riyadh. They are fully owned by Saudi and have a full codeshare with their owners plus this year saw them starting flights to Pakistan.

FlyaDeal currently operates a fleet of 11x A320 & 30x A320Neo with a further 15x on order along with 39x A321Neos which are due to start deliveries next year. They also have 10x A330-900’s on order for long-haul ambitions.
Yes I agree. They currently only serve Bosnia and Cyprus (seasonally) in Europe so UK service may be some way away. But, as you say, they seem to be investing in eventual long haul operations. FlyNas has a larger presence in Europe, mainly on seasonal service.
 
If you’ve got LinkedIn account you’ll be able see what the airports new Aviation director Declan Maguire has just posted using the following link.

If you look elsewhere on LinkedIn you’ll also see he along with LBA’s CEO Vincent Hodder have had direct talks with Saudi Airlines at its HQ in Jeddah.



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If so, why are airlines such as Saudia buying loads of A321s, with the specific intention of starting more routes to places previously unserved, when the A321 doesn't lend itself to carrying any significant cargo?

And, why would LBA management spend so much time chasing an operator to that area when they have no cargo facilities, nor any intention of acquiring any. They clearly don't see the lack of cargo as an issue.
I assume some airlines see routes as economical without the need for cargo. Narrow body aircraft are pretty useless for cargo. In any case it wouldnt be viable for the airport to reopen a cargo facility for any less a couple of wide bodies a week.
 
Whilst a report from last night's community event will be posted in the General Thread in due course, VH did specifically mention LBA has no intentions of chasing wide bodies. Specifically targeting the A321XLR with 144 seats. No specific operators or routes mentioned with the only other reference being he has just returned from Saudi after talking to airlines (plural) there
 
Whilst a report from last night's community event will be posted in the General Thread in due course, VH did specifically mention LBA has no intentions of chasing wide bodies. Specifically targeting the A321XLR with 144 seats. No specific operators or routes mentioned with the only other reference being he has just returned from Saudi after talking to airlines (plural) there
Yes, I think WH has mentioned in ACC reports that although the airport are looking for longer haul destinations they are not seeking out wide body operators.
 
Sorry Aviador I cannot agree re cargo it is very important and Saudi Arabia is a very difficult market
Forget the idea that cargo is essential and that we need wide-bodied jets. You have to change your perspective. LBA isn't chasing 777s or A380s to Dubai. Its vision is for the A321XLR, potentially with a premium cabin option.

The reason this idea causes such consternation for some is clear: those high-yielding passengers would be choosing to fly from their local airport, rather than from a rival hub or Heathrow. If LBA or another regional airport succeeds in this, it would fundamentally reshape the airlines' strategy for long-haul travel. Let's be clear LBA isn't the only airport chasing this option.
 
I`m not talking widebody I`m talking passengers, if you had an A321 with 35 pax it would loose money but fill the belly with cargo it would make money even if it was post
The airline might make more money, but LBA would have to provide a transit shed and staff it, which is not going to be viable.
 
I`m not talking widebody I`m talking passengers, if you had an A321 with 35 pax it would loose money but fill the belly with cargo it would make money even if it was post

The expansion of the long-haul market presents both an opportunity and a threat. For established airports like Manchester, the idea of regional rivals such as Leeds Bradford tapping into this growth is a worrying prospect. The stakes are simply higher for them. Consider the impact if, for example, 30% of the premium seats on Manchester's long-haul routes are currently filled by passengers from the Leeds City Region. Losing that lucrative premium traffic to LBA would have a substantial financial impact. So in that respect Manchester needs to be looking after its cargo offering more so than LBA if it is to maintain the status quo.
 
I'm doubtful, but let's have a look at your workings. How much revenue are we talking from cargo per sector ?
You also have to consider the fact that operating a wide-bodied aircraft is considerable compared with narrow-bodied aircraft so cargo is a necessity. This simple doesn't need to be a consideration for a smaller aircraft such as the A321XLR.
 
I'm doubtful, but let's have a look at your workings. How much revenue are we talking from cargo per sector ?
Revenue varies from market to market. Generally though pax narrow bodies arent viable for cargo, even without pax theres little capacity. I suspect generating even small amounts of cargo on export or import would be very hard unless the carrier had a good route network.
 
I`m not talking widebody I`m talking passengers, if you had an A321 with 35 pax it would loose money but fill the belly with cargo it would make money even if it was post
But its quite likely that a couple of A321s a week out of LBA to (say) Jeddah would be pretty well loaded with passengers, with the baggage hold also well loaded as a result, so no room for cargo nor any need to carry it. If cargo was a prerequisite then airlines wouldn't be buying aircraft such as the A321LR for long haul, and if passenger loads are poor then the route won't survive and will be gone!
 
Didn't PIA bring in cargo and take it out again i.e. water and fridges out and fruit in that had to be transfered to MAN all without a cargo shed?
It dont think it was heavily used for exports and imports were mainly mangoes. Having said that my firm used it for garments, mainly from the Far East. The airport had a Transit Shed back then. It wasnt viable to retain it once PIA went.
 
It took Saudi quite a while to build pax figures up at MAN and quite a lot were generated by BAe at Wharton which was helped by cargo
 

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