Runways, Aprons and Taxiways

[lbaspotter]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

Why have they got the buses in the first place? Will they spend the money that first NEVER ever did or not? Are they permenant.

Also EBCS9, the driver i saw was perfectly happy heading towards the food village without any escortation.

nicholas1992 can I please advise you to read back some of the older posts in this thread and it will explain why they the airport have got the B10LA bendi bus in service on lease from Firstbus. Hence this is the reason that I have redirected you into here from the other thread. As it was going off topic. Ok?

 

[EX9]

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The main drivers of the busses are servisair, they obviously did not want them or even ASU driving the vehicles, as with it being on private land i don't think the normal licensing applies. As far as i am aware all the first bus drivers have been on temporary passes escorted by ASU, unless that has changed within the last week.

 

[Chris]

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Taken by a fellow airport colleague, a B737 on stand 5!

 

[ls27]

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Some information regarding the use of articulated buses at LbA has come to light. Three of the buses have been loan to the airport at various dates.Fleet no 10038 was at the airport from 9th March until 4th April. 10041 from 25th March to 3rd April and 10043 from 11th March until 24th March. They were standing in for two former Dublin Airport Mercedes Citaro vehicles, painted into First livery in Edinburgh (fleet nos 11037/10039). The had been giving trouble and had been sent to First's Hunslet Depot for repairs. It is not known if First has a contract to supply the busus to the airport.

 

[Aviador]

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I notice stands 16 to 18 have changed. They are now marked up as 16L 16R, 17, 18L and 18R. I'm not entirely sure but I think this might be to allow larger aircraft to park on stand 17?

 

[Lamix1W]

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It's to allow different parking plans. I.e. 2x 757 on 16L and 18R or 3 x 737. Basically increasing flexibility

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[leedslad]

Re: Leeds Bradford Airport - Runways, Aprons and Taxiways.

On the current (oldish) airport Masterplan, I seem to recall they have allocated some future space for a runway extension, once vaious other elements have been completed.

Does anyone know what benefits this possible extension would bring to the airport? Would larger planes than at present be able to use the airport, or would it not be long enough for that, and just allow a more comfortable distance for current planes?

 

[White Heather]

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A runway extension would allow virtually all aircraft types to use LBA on many longer routes, but types such as the A380 would still be unable for a variety of reasons. However, a decision has to be made as to whether that runway extension would attract sufficient additional traffic, using larger aircraft types, to justify the cost of the extensions, which due to the surrounding land dropping away into an old reservoir at the Horsforth end, would be hugely expensive. A massive amount of landfill would be required and compulsory land purchase on the Scotland Estate, if nothing else to enable the runway landing lights to be moved. They would, by necessity, have to move across to where houses are now.

At the Yeadon end, the land also drops away across the road on to farmland, but the extension at that end would be less useful due to the presence of Otley Chevin. An additional complication is that if the runway was extended at that end, the cemetary, which is to one side, would be too close to the runway and would have to be moved. You can imagine the outcry that would cause.

Even a short extension at both ends would require the same problems to be overcome, so costs would probably be even higher, although it might reduce the impact on the Scotland estate;

The view of Bridgepoint is that the cost and problems outweigh the likely benefits, so they do not intend extending the runway anytime soon. It is not in their planning at this time, and I will be surprised if it ever is. They are also taking into account that as aircraft design improves, newer types are becoming more capable of using the runway at LBA as it is currently - the 787 is one example perhaps.

 

[a300boy]

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Hence why when questioned the airport promotional team in Morrisons supermarket last year replied to me that the runway was of adequate length, to which I replied you need to re-think that comment.
You cannot put a business case forward to justify a runway extension so we will have to wait for Emirates or another long haul operator to receive there B787s or A350s and hope they fancy operating from the smaller regional airports.

 

[dmrodgers]

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Hence why when questioned the airport promotional team in Morrisons supermarket last year replied to me that the runway was of adequate length, to which I replied you need to re-think that comment.
You cannot put a business case forward to justify a runway extension so we will have to wait for Emirates or another long haul operator to receive there B787s or A350s and hope they fancy operating from the smaller regional airports.

As I understand it the A330 is more than capable of flying long haul from LBA with the exisiting runway. Just need to attract an airline with this equipment and then the US, Caribbean and the UAE can go on the route map. That's the challenge for the Airport Management to persuade someone to take a gamble as the little airport over the hill has these routes sown up.

 

[Aviador]

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Those figures are of course for maximum take-off weight. It also means that here in the UK only Heathrow has a runway long enough to handle all the aircraft types at maximum take-off weight. It also shows the Boeing 777-200 has a similar performance as the A310 so there's no reason why the 777 can't operate with good loads from Leeds Bradford airport.

 

[wawkrk]

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Here is the missing take off distance chart.

 

[wawkrk]

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The 777-200 would probably only use about 60% of max take off weight to reach ISB which is well short of it's maximum range.

 

[a300boy]

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Dont forget it has to land first !!! Consider Runway 14 when its wet and the usual crosswind !!!! Not for the faint hearted is it.

 

[tleeds]

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Following the announcement today from Monarch regarding a possible 2 aircraft base, how does the stand issue work out... Isn't LBA "Over-Subscribed" now?

22 stands in total - of which 17 are for "Primary Use" by aircraft (Stands 6 to 24):

This is what I have so far:
7x Jet2 B733
4x Jet2 B752
2x Monarch A320(??)
3x Ryanair B738
-- 16 aircraft plus the possible:
1x Thomson Aircraft
1x BA A320
1x Thomas Cook Aircraft

Is this when LBA should look at possibly constructing more stands along, either; South-Side of Twy N or East-Side of Twy D?
It also arises the question regarding the new parallel taxiways doesn't it?

 

[752]

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There will definitley be a TOM based aircraft as that is what is needed to operate their 2013 schedule so count them in! however it has yet to be announced what airline/aircraft will operate the routes, also doesnt KLM & bmi regional have a night stopper? and Flybe on saturdays for the charter flight to innsbruck? or will they be on stands 1-5? & does jet2's 737-300 park on stand 5? could a A319 (possibly BA's) park on there if they did have a night stopper?

 

[tleeds]

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So that's 17 aircraft for 17 stands, if you include Thomson into that..!

18 aircraft on 18 stands if you include the KLM F70(F100) which often goes onto stand 5.

Looks like LBA might need some more parking spaces..

 

[lbia]

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It certainly is great news but LBA need to walk before they can run. There simply is not enough stands and gates for all these aircraft. There are no more gates so how the hell are they going to get passengers out of the doors fast enough? It's not like the additional aircraft are small either.

It looks like we are 2 757's and 2 A320's up for overnight parking. The airport is struggling at peak times as it is. There is going to be some very difficult stand planning with the current layout.

 

[Moo2009]

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I agree with lbia about the ramp been at it's limit at peak times, do you think the airport may ask jet2 to park a couple of aircraft over at multiflight and tow them over after first wave of departures and give them some kind of concession on fees for doing this

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[Lamix1W]

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It's all well and good suggesting towing aircraft about but at peak times you can really stitch yourself and stall the operation.

Remote parking north side may be an option but there is still the problem of towing aircraft around when aircraft are taxiing!

Finally the whole activity of towing completely falls flat when the airport is in LVP'S. This is because tower can only move more than one aircraft either tower or taxiing when they can see at least one of them. This means that one aircraft being towed from for example stand 21 to stand 7 can shut down the airport for up to 10 mins. And that includes inbound aircraft.

The best thing to happen will be the new walkway which will at the very least allow most of the first wave of outbounds to go without any problems.

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