Leeds Bradford: Airport Consultative Committee Questions & Responses

[quik123]

The radar room at LBA could probably squeeze in one more position to service another airfield's approach radar function but the room itself really couldn't be enlarged. A few years ago, Thinking Space pulled off a spectacular TARDIS job on the room but a facility with more floor space would have to be elsewhere on the airfield site. Hopefully this is all academic anyway and I'd be amazed if LBA would even consider providing ATC services to a competing airport.

Anyways, what became of the actual radar head at Doncaster? Is it still there or did Peel redeploy it?

Why would the radar room have to be on the airfield site? It could be anywhere, just needs good data links. I know it won't happen but interesting to discuss. Think of London City. Not a single controller on site! As for the radar at Don, I believe its still there.

 

[oldendays]

Agreed. Radar rooms can theoretically be anywhere at all but obviously it makes sense to be on the airfield of concern if the same team of controllers are providing ADC too.

I hope the Doncaster radar is being looked after while it is inactive. They are jolly expensive!

 

[quik123]

Agreed. Radar rooms can theoretically be anywhere at all but obviously it makes sense to be on the airfield of concern if the same team of controllers are providing ADC too.

I hope the Doncaster radar is being looked after while it is inactive. They are jolly expensive!

I would think it's simply been switched off. I don't think there is anyone to look after it. The engineers at Don were made redundant when it closed, indeed at least one of them got a new job at LBA.

 

[pug]

I would think it's simply been switched off. I don't think there is anyone to look after it. The engineers at Don were made redundant when it closed, indeed at least one of them got a new job at LBA.

That’ll be how many £million to recommission? No wonder the ‘due diligence’ process is dragging out. But that’s for another thread.

 

[oldendays]

I would think it's simply been switched off. I don't think there is anyone to look after it. The engineers at Don were made redundant when it closed, indeed at least one of them got a new job at LBA.

Might have been two engineers! Assuming Peel still owns the radar head one would hope some sort of care and maintenance is ongoing for such an expensive asset. LBA could get first dibs as a Watchman replacement some time in the future.

 

[Aviador]

Posts made regarding Jet2 have been moved to the Jet2 thread.

 

[GolfFox]

Doncaster airspace was controlled from Liverpool(only VCR at Don) so could probably be re-established fairly quickly and certainly with or without the airport been actually operational.

That would go down well with the GA Community - a huge needless chunk of controlled airspace and no operational airport!

 

[White Heather]

That would go down well with the GA Community - a huge needless chunk of controlled airspace and no operational airport!

No matter, as long as Doncaster and the politicians have their airspace back to make reopening DSA easier. Let's hope the CAA hold firm on this and don't just roll over and give them what they want despite the impact on other airports and G.A, although nothing would surprise me.

 

[pug]

No matter, as long as Doncaster and the politicians have their airspace back to make reopening DSA easier. Let's hope the CAA hold firm on this and don't just roll over and give them what they want despite the impact on other airports and G.A, although nothing would surprise me.

It will be challenged by the GA community. Current situation for CAA appears to be path of least resistance and just remain silent. It’s one of the reasons I question why the council are constantly focussing on this aspect in their updates. Clearly the CAA aren’t rushing the process, they’re giving the Council time to decide what they’re actually doing,

 

[White Heather]

It will be challenged by the GA community. Current situation for CAA appears to be path of least resistance and just remain silent. It’s one of the reasons I question why the council are constantly focussing on this aspect in their updates. Clearly the CAA aren’t rushing the process, they’re giving the Council time to decide what they’re actually doing,

The problem being that while they do that, there is constant uncertainty that is impacting the ongoing Airspace Change Programme. How can meaningful proposals be put forward by LBA, and MAN when nobody knows what airspace DSA will have, if any at all? The CAA are demanding proposals but sitting on this DSA issue is disrupting the planning process

 

[Finger66]

LCC probably also asking the CAA to hold on as long as possible. Anything to hinder LBA

 

[LBAYORKIE]

The problem being that while they do that, there is constant uncertainty that is impacting the ongoing Airspace Change Programme. How can meaningful proposals be put forward by LBA, and MAN when nobody knows what airspace DSA will have, if any at all? The CAA are demanding proposals but sitting on this DSA issue is disrupting the planning process

More on the airspace and the Labour conference.

MPs in airline talks at Labour conference as Doncaster Airport fight goes on

Doncaster’s MPs and mayor have revealed they have been in talks with airlines at the Labour Party conference as the fight to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport goes on.

www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk

 

[a300boy]

No matter, as long as Doncaster and the politicians have their airspace back to make reopening DSA easier. Let's hope the CAA hold firm on this and don't just roll over and give them what they want despite the impact on other airports and G.A, although nothing would surprise me.

Not to my liking the airspace south of Lba is much better now for GA..
Doncaster was a major reason not to fly that direction unless like I and my flying friend who use Sandtoft and Strurgate a lot its heaven.
The Caa now have mandatory reporting in place for any infringements of airspace with a score table for the level of infringment that is incurred so you have to be very carefull and be sure you are up to date with the charts and can see the various restrictions in a bouncing around cockpit.
Doncaster were normally pretty helpfull but often overloaded with traffic crossing through or training with very little traffic inbound to the airfield. However they seem to have lots of support and the Caa will generally go with the flow.

 

[LBA4EVER]

More on the airspace and the Labour conference.

MPs in airline talks at Labour conference as Doncaster Airport fight goes on

Doncaster’s MPs and mayor have revealed they have been in talks with airlines at the Labour Party conference as the fight to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport goes on.

www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk

The last sentence in the article reads..
An operator is set to be announced in the coming weeks.
Could be of interest?

 

[The Pole]

More on the airspace and the Labour conference.

MPs in airline talks at Labour conference as Doncaster Airport fight goes on

Doncaster’s MPs and mayor have revealed they have been in talks with airlines at the Labour Party conference as the fight to re-open Doncaster Sheffield Airport goes on.

www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk

Looks to me like they met with a Jet2 banner!

 

[HX3]

Open question but why is all this DSA crapola on an LBA thread for Airport Consultancy Committee? #justsayin🫣

 

[The Pole]

Open question but why is all this DSA crapola on an LBA thread for Airport Consultancy Committee? #justsayin🫣

Its called been kept in the loop! I dont visit any other forum other than LBA so nice to be kept informed especially when local to us.

 

[HX3]

I can understand that, but there are DSA specific pages if you want to stay in the loop with their updates.

 

[LBA4EVER]

Its called been kept in the loop! I dont visit any other forum other than LBA so nice to be kept informed especially when local to us.

Same here pole, in all my time on here I've never visited any other airport forum, only interested in LBA,

 

[Finger66]

It's a difficult one. Yes we are supposed to keep threads on track and yes there are DSA threads but as long as something has some relevance to the thread being posted in then all good in my eyes. That said I do think this has possibly gone off the LBA CC topic a little, but DSA reopening does seem to crop up in those meetings so can easily argue it's relevant.