Air Traffic, ILS & Navigation Aids

[White Heather]

Looks like CAA are not satisfied with LBA planned the airspace changes. It has failed on all 4 criteria as part of step 2B (Develop and Assess Gateway)

Good news is that the change sponsor (LBA) is now able to reconsider its submission before resubmitting it for further review by the CAA at a future Develop & Assess Gateway.

Airspace change proposal public view

Find details of proposed changes to UK airspace that could affect you.

airspacechange.caa.co.uk

Amazing.
Only last Thursday, it was stated that the CAA had given no indication to LBA that it's proposals were unacceptable, the airport being seemingly confident that it could move to the next stage.

 

[Aviador]

What on earth do the CAA want?

 

[White Heather]

What on earth do the CAA want?

It must be the most frustrating exercise. Seemingly little or no guidance and for the 2nd time, it's unacceptable to them.

 

[Aviador]

It must be the most frustrating exercise. Seemingly little or no guidance and for the 2nd time, it's unacceptable to them.

With no guidance how on earth are they supposed to know what would be acceptable.

 

[YorkshireLad]

 

[pug]

With no guidance how on earth are they supposed to know what would be acceptable.

Notice DSA stalwart and all round self publicist Nick Fletcher MP has posted this as an enormous victory in the fight to reopen DSA… Utter moron.

My understanding is this ACP precedes the one submitted on the back of the ACP created to remove CTA from DSA for which LBA have applied to take a segment to allow for CDA. Is this your understanding?

I believe there are other factors in the original proposal that has been rejected, one being a planned NATS reshuffle.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

With no guidance how on earth are they supposed to know what would be acceptable.

The people making the submission need the experience to know what is required.

 

[pug]

The people making the submission need the experience to know what is required.

The CAA will probably aid in consulting. This is a push for PBN and SID/STAR procedures to reduce ATC workload and enhance safety in class G areas. This is NOT related to the DSA ACP.

 

[White Heather]

The people making the submission need the experience to know what is required.

'The people' do have that experience. It's the head of ATC at LBA.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

'The people' do have that experience. It's the head of ATC at LBA.

Im sure hes competent but we dont know what his experience in this very specific area is.

 

[White Heather]

Im sure hes competent but we dont know what his experience in this very specific area is.

As this hasn't been done before, I doubt anyone has experience in this specific area. They have spent a lot of time and money on this, so to have it rejected indicates that the parameters they are working within are not clearly defined. Or are ambiguous.

 

[KARFA]

there are two sides involved in this. it is not clear which side is making a meal of it tbh.

 

[Aviador]

The people making the submission need the experience to know what is required.

The company involved with the submission previously handled DSAs successful application prior to the airports closure so they should have the experience necessary to see this through.

 

[KARFA]

The localiser is being replaced? Looks like at the 32 end

https://twitter.com/x/status/1678376894440300547

 

[EX9]

The 14 Localiser aerials (32 end) have been replaced. It will be calibrated later in the week.

 

[LBA4EVER]

The 14 Localiser aerials (32 end) have been replaced. It will be calibrated later in the week.

Hopefully calibrated to add an extra few hundred metres of runway landing distance!!

 

[EX9]

If only!

 

[Aviador]

Phenomenal amounts of traffic on Saturdays at the moment. Cudos to ATC for all they do. It looks pretty stressful!


For comparison here was Manchester at the same time...

 

[LBA4EVER]

Phenomenal amounts of traffic on Saturdays at the moment. Cudos to ATC for all they do. It looks pretty stressful!
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For comparison here was Manchester at the same time...
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Brilliant, bring it on! Friday and Saturday afternoons are crazy busy!

 

[radar]

Saturday afternoons are very busy, and probably not helped by the weather today - I was out with the kids just south of Wakefield, and noticed inbounds vectoring and holding all over the place.