Future Infrastructure Developments

[Aviador]

Re: Infrastructure Developments

No updates for sometime and don't get excited about seeing a new post but there is some good news at least!

Work has now commenced on around 1000 new car parking spaces near the new long-stay carpark entrance.

The yellow highlight indicates the location of the new carpark.
[rimg]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd310/uk-airport-forum/2010-carpark.png[/rimg]

 

[Aviador]

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Incidentally, the road in between the new carpark and the car park in the picture forms part of the proposed airport link road so long as the masterplan remains the same.

 

[White Heather]

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I am told that the terminal expansion project is scheduled to commence at the end of the forthcoming summer season, in October 2010. That seems a logical time to start and gives them the entire winter season to make some real headway - as long as the weather is not a repeat of this winter anyway!

 

[Aviador]

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I am told that the terminal expansion project is scheduled to commence at the end of the forthcoming summer season, in October 2010. That seems a logical time to start and gives them the entire winter season to make some real headway - as long as the weather is not a repeat of this winter anyway!

So that would be in line with what both 'LS16' and 'lbia' have said on here previously.

 

[White Heather]

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So that would be in line with what both 'LS16' and 'lbia' have said on here previously.

That would depend on how long the project will take. They were quoting opening of the extended terminal in May 2012, which would mean the works would take 20 months to complete. That sounds like a very long time. Hopefully there will be more information at the next consultative meeting.

 

[Galaxy]

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There has been much talk over the years of a railway cutting being dug to LBIA, this however would be at considerable expense. Instead I think there ought to be a station at Cookridge Moseley Woods with a Dusseldorf and Frankfurt airport style Sky Train such as this one:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973-ASD65UA[/video]

It could operate from the railway line to the terminal building in less than 5 minutes and would definitely be cheaper....who do I write to?

Thanks for that Youtube link Galaxy. I have embeded your link as a video into the forum. If you look at your post using the [edit] function you will see how I have done it.

Aviador.

 

[Aviador]

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ugghhh wont work its starting to annoy me

Here's one I made earlier!
[rimg]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/airportsuk/LBA-1-2.jpg[/rimg]

 

[TheLocalYokel]

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Aviador,

Does your vision (looks very impressive) incorporate a longer runway?

Is there room for a parallel taxiway as you have shown? I had a look on Google Earth and wondered how your 'plan' would be achieved.

Also is there not already at least one road tunnel beneath the runway? Is it a 'cut and cover' subway or was it bored through the earth? How long is it? You seem to have two road tunnels in your new version.

Forgive my fascination with tunnels but I have long felt that we in the UK don't make anywhere near enough use of them unlike many other countries in the world.

Roads could be sunk and covered in all sorts of places to answer the objections of environmentalists. They may be expensive to construct but can be very worthwhile.

 

[rhinoscrazy]

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ugghhh wont work its starting to annoy me

Here's one I made earlier!
[rimg]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/airportsuk/LBA-1-2.jpg[/rimg]

wow that makes mine look like a pile of ....

 

[rhinoscrazy]

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i hope this works, thats my retake onit it looks rubbish copared to urs

[rimg]http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy106/rhinoscrazy/leedsbradfordairportinmyway.jpg[/rimg]

 

[Aviador]

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Aviador,

Does your vision (looks very impressive) incorporate a longer runway?

Is there room for a parallel taxiway as you have shown? I had a look on Google Earth and wondered how your 'plan' would be achieved.

Also is there not already at least one road tunnel beneath the runway? Is it a 'cut and cover' subway or was it bored through the earth? How long is it? You seem to have two road tunnels in your new version.

Forgive my fascination with tunnels but I have long felt that we in the UK don't make anywhere near enough use of them unlike many other countries in the world.

Roads could be sunk and covered in all sorts of places to answer the objections of environmentalists. They may be expensive to construct but can be very worthwhile.

Firstly to answer your first question, yes the picture shows around 250m additional concrete at both ends of the runway. The image incorporates every conceivable development as illustrated in the 2030 airport masterplan. Not that any of it has to take place but it does give you a good idea of the scope of what is achievable at the airport.

As for the tunnels

During the last major development of the airport back in the 1980's when the council authorities embarked on a major expansion of the airport the decision was taken to extend the runway by 600m. To enable this work the A658 needed to be tunneled to allow the runway extension to go ahead. This was done using a cut and cover method you mentioned in your post. The contractors fell lucky because they hit bed rock exactly where they were required to build the tunnel so this helped in many respects to secure the foundations of the tunnel. The runway was then built on top of the 'cut and cover' tunnel using around a metre in depth of concrete. The decision was taken to duel the A658 making it the only section of the road which is dueled. The authorities decided that they needed to cover any eventuality should the A658 ever be dueled in the future.

The current tunnel is approximately 240m long and to facilitate the second phase of the parallel taxiway an extension of the tunnel would be required.
[rimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cc/Lbiarunwayflyover.jpg/800px-Lbiarunwayflyover.jpg[/rimg]

To facilitate the masterplan the airport would almost certainly be required to build similar types of cut and cover tunnels at both ends of the runway. The proposed link road route passes very close to the South East end of the main runway so it would be beneficial to include a tunnel to enable the runway to be extended even if it is just for overrun purposes. Similar can be said for the North West end of the runway.

 

[Aviador]

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The new design plans include a full length (stands 5 to 18) `back of aircraft` service road, which should help things much better.

Do you happen to know if they intend to change the layout of the stands to the same system as the one used on the new stand area? (stands 19-24)

 

[backtrack]

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The new design plans include a full length (stands 5 to 18) `back of aircraft` service road, which should help things much better.

Do you happen to know if they intend to change the layout of the stands to the same system as the one used on the new stand area? (stands 19-24)

They will differ slightly yes, maybe not in terms like the new stand area ( i assume you mean stands 19 - 24).

As i said a service road will be built (not sure which phase of the expansion) from stand 5 up to stand 18. Removal of some of the central grass areas is planned, in order to lengthen some stands and allow room for this new road behind the aircraft stands. Stands 2, 3 and 4 will be brought closer and a possible extension is being considered to extend the `back of aircraft` service road, otherwise it will start abeam stand 5. Stand 1 will not be affected by the current plans i saw drawn up.

Hope this helps.

 

[Aviador]

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I agree and if they decide to use mix configuration stands like that on the new parking apron we should gain more stands in total and more wide bodied stands.

Just to refresh peoples memories the new parking apron can take either 2 x wide bodied aircraft (or) 4 x medium sized aircraft (or) 6 x smaller sized aircraft (or) mixed mode ie 2 x medium plus 2 time small etc etc.

 

[backtrack]

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I'm glad grass was mentioned as I am always surprised at the areas where it is left - especially when you read that there is insufficient room to manouver. One of the examples I have for random grass is at manchester - if you look at T2 ramp between the terminal and cargo area there are a couple of useless peices of turf... always amazes me why they were retained?

During the summer, you would be surprised how much work the groundsmen have. LBA has many patches of grass around the airfield, (inc the southside) some more viable than others admitidly. But their removal would open up the apron even more as as Aviador says may be able to incorporate the design (that has proven to work well) on the new apron. At present, we have a random system whereby from stands 11 - 18, only stand 14 is able to accomadate the B757. Stands 8, 9 and 10 can hold 3 x B757 respectively at any one time.

 

[rhinoscrazy]

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so does any one know when the terminal extenstion starts? and the rest of the parking aprons?

 

[White Heather]

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The terminal developement is due to commence in October 2010, as soon as the summer season is over, allowing the ground works and initial construction to be undertaken over the quieter winter months.. No information yet about parking aprons, sorry.

 

[rhinoscrazy]

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thats a bit weird they should start when the weather is nice and dry so theres no excuses

 

[backtrack]

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thats a bit weird they shoul start when the wethers nice and dry so theres no excuses

Its a catch 22 situation.

In winter its a lot quieter and more than likely easier to access the place, and carry out the work with less disruption, however there are the usually poorer weather conditions to deal with. I think Summer would definately be a bad time to start, with the new FR base for one reason, the airport needs to ensure as little disruption as possible.

See the summer through and work their socks off through the winter...

 

[rhinoscrazy]

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lol good idea only they should only get a day off when there is 4 meters of snow at the airport