Aviation Nostalgia Thread

[wawkrk]

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Lots of rubbish in the last posts.
Britannia never had any airbuses and aircraft do not use petrol.
Talk of another runway can only be 32 or 14.(its the same runway)
Runway 28 turboprops only apart from 1 Dan-Air 146-100.
The A320 requires less take off distance than the B737-300.

 

[Bigman]

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LS16 - the A320 EI-TLO worked for Translift. I also remember one of their A300's working a Lourdes flight years ago and parking on stand 5.

 

[johnrgowan]

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jordi757/3010168166/

Follow the above link to a pic of EI-TLO in hybrid Britannia scheme as per LS16's post

 

[whoshotjimmi]

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Lots of rubbish in the last posts.
Britannia never had any airbuses and aircraft do not use petrol.
Talk of another runway can only be 32 or 14.(its the same runway)
Runway 28 turboprops only apart from 1 Dan-Air 146-100.
The A320 requires less take off distance than the B737-300.

Hi wawkrk - I am sorry that you found my post to be rubbish. However, I can confirm that it was a Britannia liveried A320 and it was in the days before the second runway (I believe it was 09/27) was closed for the purposes of airport expansion. It was the captain of the aircraft who mentioned the idea of using this runway due to the weather conditions over the tannoy whilst we were sat on the aircraft and having already been sat there for about an hour and a half. As I mentioned, eventually we used 32 with enough fuel for Vienna (we had originally been cleared to Munich to refuel but due to bad weather at Munich, we continued to Vienna).

I am fully aware that aircraft do not use petrol - I used the word purely as an ironic twist to my post, which I hope most people understood. I will keep it serious from now on.

Interestingly enough, On the Vienna - Dalaman leg of the journey, I was invited to have a look inside the cockpit (pre 9/11 days) and it remains the only time I have been inside an aircraft cockpit. It also remains the only time (including the journey home) I have been on an A320. I remember thoroughly disliking the aircraft but I could not tell you why.

This event must have been about 15 years ago now. Here is a link to a picture of said A320 (not my own work). http://www.flickr.com/photos/jordi757/5835866101/

 

[TheLocalYokel]

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Britannia Airways and the A 320

Britannia certainly used Airbus A320 equipment into Bristol Airport in the summer 0f 1999.

Although the airport then, as now, was a B 757 base I have a note on the timetable for that summer that both 757s and 320s were used on Britannia flights. Unfortunately, I didn't record which routes were used by the 320.

I remember seeing 320s at various times of that summer (it may have been the same one - I don't record reg numbers) and my memory suggests they were based elsewhere and worked into BRS on 'W' routings. They/it were/was definitely painted in Britannia livery though it may not have been the full colour scheme.

I was a Thomson shareholder then and I recall the 320 being mentioned in one of the company reports. They may well have been leased, possibly wet-leased, though Thomson had a Scandinavian arm at that time and they may have come from there.

According to my notes they didn't re-appear at BRS in summer 2000 and they weren't used in summer 1998. They didn't appear in the winter schedules at any time at BRS.

Annoyingly, though I have a lot of cine and video of Bristol Airport, going back thirty years, I don't think I ever recorded the Britannia 320 there. When I have time I'll have a look though the old tapes (all my cine is now on video).

 

[wawkrk]

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whoshotjimmi

Apologies for my post.
The Britannia fleet listings did not show any A320's in the last 20 years.
Regarding the runway subject, there is no way any captain would have been allowed to consider using 10/28 runway. The length was about 3,900 ft and with restrictions. It was limited to aircraft of a maximum weight like the F50 turboprop.
As I said in my post, as far as I know, only one jet ever used it, the Dan Air 146 with STOL characteristics. I actually witnessd it. Air traffic were still looking through the rule books after it was airborne. The weather was perfect and this was the first ever visit of the type. The captain wanted to demonstrate the short take off capability. It zoomed over the tarn.Fantastic.

 

[eastcoaster]

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As regards jets (airliners) using runway 27/09, or 28/10 as it was then.
Other jet airliners have used 28, very infrequently. I have seen Air Anglia use a Fokker F-28 for a landing on 28, and it did have passengers on. Also, a BAC 1-11 of BMA, (although it was the one that belonged to Airways Cymru) which they leased, which landed one afternoon, with passengers, from Heathrow, and stopped quite short. Also a Boeing 737-200 of Britannia Airways landed on runway 10, one saturday morning in a very rare easterly gale. This aircraft was a positioning flight, and also stopped quite short. I also believe a private Boeing 737-200 VR-BEH, owned by Stavros Niarchos, landed on 28, but there was just his grouse shooting party on board. I was working in ATC one day when the pilot of Sir James Goldsmiths private Boeing 757 asked to use RW28 during a 50kt gale. It was refused, although I'm sure with only 6 on board it would have stopped OK. By this time CAA rules stated that an aircraft could not land on a runway that was not deemed long enough for it to land, abort it's landing, apply power and take off again. 3000 feet of runway was just not going to be a good idea and certainly would not have impressed the owners of the houses on Victoria Avenue.

 

[wawkrk]

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Yes there were some landings of jets on 27 but surely no departures. Victoria Avenue and the fence and street lights reduced the take off distance close to 2000ft!.
I once arrived on an F27 or F50, can't remember, in the most horrendous gale. Hundreds of flights had been cancelled from Amsterdam to the UK. We landed on 27 as the wind was straight down the runway but incredibly strong.I think it was the only landing in the north of England that day, we touched down and just stopped like a Harrier jump jet. Alas, I cannot remember the captains name except Tony, he had legendry skills at LBA and was determined to get us home.
Yes it was 27/09 and 33/15 and also in earlier days 19/01.
On my first visits to the airport, runway 33/15 did not exist, my uncle worked on the costruction. Pity they left the famous hump.

 

[eastcoaster]

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You are correct that there were no departures from the then 28/10 later 27/09, but I do have a gut feeling one of the Air Anglia Fokker 28s departed 28. I once landed in a BMA Viscount on 28, which was quite an unpleasant approach and a relief to be down.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

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I remember seeing an Air Anglia F28 arrive and then depart on 28. Must have been approx 1978.

 

[lbaspotter]

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I remember watching a well known fleet captain fly in one of the Captial Airways 146-200's in on runway 28 one Saturday morning in the late 80's. That was the largest aircraft I had ever seen land on runway 28/10.

Had heard the rumours about the Britannia 737-200 but never thought it was true. Oh well they say. "you learn something new everyday".

 

[tleeds]

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I don't suppose there is any sort of footage; Pictures/Video's of these at all....?

I, and a few others are unfortunately, probably too young to remember any of these occurrences.

 

[eastcoaster]

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I don't suppose there is any sort of footage; Pictures/Video's of these at all....?

I, and a few others are unfortunately, probably too young to remember any of these occurrences.

Unfortunately I've never seen photos/videos. It was pre digital age, probably only 35mm stills or cine cameras, and definitely no mobile phones then. Things happened in those days without being recorded so we can only go by what we remember.

 

[G-AZNZ]

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I was a young plane spotter back in the late 70's/early 80's and was at the airport when the Britannia 737 landed on rwy 10. There were not many of the usual crowd of spotters present at the time but those of us that were there couldn't believe it when the pilot elected to use that runway. The plane touched down just after the intersection with the then rwy 15/33 and pulled up very quickly although he disapeared behind the old black hanger that used to stand next to the terminal building so we didn't get the "full effect". Several of the Yeadon based spotters who were having a "day off" soon arrived to see what was going on - happy days!!!!

 

[Aviador]

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I remember watching at Capital Airlines BAE146 land on runway 28. God, am I really that old!!! :crazy:

 

[White Heather]

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Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's, it was a regular event to see airliners use runway 28 for landing, and there were also plenty of take off's, although from memory there were less take offs than landings. Air Anglia (F27), Air UK (F27/F50), KLM (F50) and Aer Lingus (F50) have all landed on 28 regularly when the wind dictated it. All operators of Shorts 330's and 360's also used the runway on a regular basis too. Personally, the largest type I ever saw land on 28 was a the F50 (Aer Lingus) although I do remember the British Midland BAC 1-11 400 (leased from Airways Cymru) landing on there in a gale when that aircraft operated the LHR route in the early 80's.

 

[Bigman]

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I bought Ken Cothliff's new book 'Yeadon Above The Rest' recently. Only on chapter 4 but it a very good read so far.

 

[User0001]

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[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5K3HSAers&NR=1[/video]

 

[User0001]

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Interviewed by Radio Aire, Evening Post and, it would seem, Borat.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNRmLHHyNs[/video]

 

[john2408]

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LBA's top spotter interviewed him also on Radio Humberside. Peter Levy.